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IMO, #1 is postable.  You'll get arguments here, but the rules expressly state that if a book opens to one page, it is OK.

 

I can't tell with #2, is it a tear or paper flaw?  If it's a tear, unpostable "no torn pages" if it's a flaw, OK.

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I would have no problem accepting book #2, it's one page?  But I'm curious what others think.

Book #1 I really don't know, I'm curious what the verdict is on that, too.  I have one like that in my TBR pile.

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IMHO, opening to one page is one thing, but the spine looks like it is separating, and that is another issue entirely. I wouldn't post it.
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To me, book #1 does not look postable.

While it is acceptable if the books opens to a particular page, in the picture it looks like the spine is broken (if you can see the spine and the glue when the book is open, then the spine is broken. Especially if the book opens like it is two separate pieces and the only thing holding it together is the paper of the spine. (not sure if that's the case with your book, but it looks like it might be)

I think book #2 is postable. Other people might disagree, but I think that a very small missing piece of a page that doesn't even come close to the text does not make the book unpostable. Especially in a book that otherwise looks from your pictures to be in very nice shape.



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I would say the first book is postable- here is the link to an old thread where they were discussing things like this  http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=150725

 

 

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I would probably mark book #1 as RWP if I received it, personally. It looks like you can see the back binding and that's not postable. I haven't figured out how a book can favor a page and still be postable. Every book I have that opens flat to a favorite page like that has a snapped spine and you can see the binding.

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If you follow the link that Michelle provided you can read for yourself what the site owners consider postable in this situation. Book 1 seems postable.
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I wouldn't post book #1, so I would assume it should be RWAP. That is exactly what the book offered free in my signature looks like. And I didn't want to post it.

Book#2 Looks okay to me, but I could be way off.

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From personal experience with books that have photo page inserts, what you just showed us is not postable.  You can see the ends of the pages which means the spine on that book is broken.  And before anyone shoots me down. I work in a library, I have seen hundreds of these books in this condition. 98% of them had the pages falling out of them after being read in this condition.  It is something to do with the glue and the pages being different. Forwhatever reason they always seem to break just at the start of those shiney photo pages.

Book 2- I would say is postable, as it could very well be a printing blemish or page cutting gone wrong.

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I wouldn't sent book #1. I wouldn't like getting book #1. I can see how a sender could take the PBS Team's response (shown in the link above) as saying it is postable and I wouldn't doubt that had they asked a TG before they sent it, there'd be a good chance of getting told it was OK to post.

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You should not have to put that in your RC. Broken Spines are not postable. Which part of that post was quoted from the sender?

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Yes, specifications OTHER than the general condition guidelines, which is what this book violates. If the spine is broken, copy the part in the help documents that says spines must be intact, and send that to this person.

 I mean, you have photograpic evidence that he is wrong about the pages coming appart, they are. If the spine is in fact broken than this book should never have been posted.

Binding:

  • Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book
  • If the book tends to open at a particular page, this is OKAY
  • Small amount of fraying or denting at top or bottom is OKAY

From what I can tell from the picture, it looks to me like the binding is deffinately seperated. At least, that's how I would describe it.



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I got the clarification from PBS in the link that Michelle posted above, and I'm pretty certain that they're talking about situations similar to book #1, but that one looks very close to being fully cleaved to me.  Rather than pinhole or crack separations in the binding, this one looks like there's not more than tiny dots of binding holding it together, and even in the tighter spots between the wide gaps, I see what looks like the backside of the cover.  If you can see the back of the cover the entire length of the binding from top to bottom, then it is fully separated - in other words, "cleaved".  PBS says "Use common sense", but what common sense is to  you & what it is to this sender can be two different things.  It appears as though they are, in fact.  IMO, that binding looks fully cleaved and is not much shy of having pages falling out of it, but I would need to see some clearer pics of it to be 100% sure.  Again, if anyone wants to see the PBS team's comments on binding cracks, here it is:

"We would not consider a pinhole to be a cleaved spine. Books that fall open to a specific
page are postable, and almost every paperback book that does that has at least some small separations.

What matters here is if the pages are securely attached. If they are likely to fall out on the next reading, then the book should not be posted. We really cannot clarify this any further. We need members to use their common sense and best judgment about whether a book is about to fall apart or not. This is just not something we can judge without having the books in our hands.
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IMO #1 totally unpostable, #2 I'd post.

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Yes, I can see the back of the cover the entire length of the binding from top to bottom, No pinhole or crack separations in the binding, just split straigh down,

I explain to the sender the second time but no response yet, i don't think i will get another response or my credit back.

That's a cleaved spine then, or what PBS means when they say "Must be intact, with no separation on the inside or outside of the book".  You can try making it clear to your sender that this is the posting guideline the book is not in compliance with, although I think you're probably right, they either won't get back in touch with you, or they'll continue to deny the damage & won't refund the credit.  You could get lucky, but I wouldn't count on it.  You are absolutely right to mark it as unresolved in the transaction record in that case though, and if they won't refund the credit, that's exactly what I'd do.  You should make sure that you get at least one message into that transaction dialogue, making it clear that the binding on this book is fully separated.  That's the point that you want on record for any future use PBS might make of it.