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Subject: My denied RC
Date Posted: 10/23/2008 5:40 PM ET
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Here is my RC:

"My request is that books meet PBS Book Condition Guidelines --(no water damage or stains, please!).  I am not looking for new books, just ones that I can post when I am done.  (So that others can enjoy the book also!)  Thank you for being a member of PBS."

~I know that you should not have to make an RC about meeting PBS condition guidelines, but since I've done so, I've had much better luck.~

 I got my first RC denial today.  The person wrote:  "It's a worn book".  My thought is that If it's worn that bad that it can't be sent to someone with an RC asking that it meet PBS guidelines, why is it on a shelf?  Bahhh!! 

Ok, I feel better now!



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Date Posted: 10/23/2008 5:46 PM ET
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Its a chance you take when you have  RC!  Some people automatically decline no matter what, others take the time to read and see if they can work with the RC.  Some's idea of "worn" is different then others too. You'll get your book though, just can be aggravating.  Sometimes its just feels better "venting".  :-)  Good Luck to you 

Jessie

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 5:55 PM ET
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Well eventually every book gets to it's last person as a postable book and sometimes that might be you.  Maybe the book was technically postable but showing wear and the person was afraid you'd ding them even though the book met pbs guidelines. 

Also like Jessie said: some people turn down any rcs at all even if their books meets them. 

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 6:00 PM ET
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Oh, I totally understand, Mary.  I've made the decision multiple times to retire a book that I've received. 

I hate 'dinging' anyone.    I know that lots of people deny RCs...that was just one of those excuses that made me scratch my head in wonder.

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 6:08 PM ET
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Karen--

I have a similar RC myself, and I just tell myself that, if they weren't sure enough that it met PBS standards, I probably didn't want it anyway.  Like you, I'm just sick of getting books with water damage, boogers between pages, chewed covers and all sorts of other things.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 6:12 PM ET
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Boogers between pages....Poor you, Catt.  That is one nasty image in my mind that I hope to never see for real!

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 6:21 PM ET
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Its a chance you take when you have  RC!  Some people automatically decline no matter what

It shouldn't be a chance you take, because books SHOULD be meeting PBS guidelines.

And I don't understand those people that decline RC's without even reading them. That's ignorant in my opinion.

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 6:28 PM ET
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"And I don't understand those people that decline RC's without even reading them. That's ignorant in my opinion."

While it is frustrating that folks turn down RC's just because they are there without sometimes even reading them I think it is harsh to call them ignorant...technically the book is still there's and they can choose to whom they send it.

Subject: RC's
Date Posted: 10/23/2008 6:36 PM ET
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I had an almost new pp with water damage on the title page. When I received the RC I emailed the girl and she said go ahead and send it. Today she just said that it did not meet her conditions and I decided not to take RC's anymore. I did everything in my power to meet the club guidelines and it was a book I would have gladly gotten. Isn't there anyway to report abuse of this? What if this person does this every time? She has a private profile.

 

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 6:37 PM ET
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Well eventually every book gets to it's last person as a postable book and sometimes that might be you.  Maybe the book was technically postable but showing wear and the person was afraid you'd ding them even though the book met pbs guidelines.

I could not agree more.  I think that sometimes people forget that a book does not have an unlimited lifespan even with the best care (unless it is never read and only handled with white gloves).  I have received a few of those that probably were at the end of their shelf life, and I paid my credit, read the book, and then gave it away as a freebie.  Seriously, sometimes you are at the end of a books journey.  Know what I mean?

As far as your RC...... I always read RCs.  Sometimes I turn them down even if I can meet them, usually those that are vague or too picky.  I would not have turned yours down though.  But I can certainly understand the mindset of someone who would turn it down.  Just because your RC was turned down does not mean that the book didn't meet PBS guidelines.  It could be a person who just didn't want to take a chance, or maybe they have been burned by picky people before.  Ya just never know. 

You have an RC, you have to expect that sometimes you will be turned down.  You don't have an RC, you have to expect that sometimes you'll get a bad book.   In a perfect world, there would never be a "bad book" traded on this website, but we don't live in a perfect world :(

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 7:03 PM ET
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Cindy that book should not have been sent whether she agreed to it or not.  Water damage is unpostable. 

I think a lot of people turn down any and all RCS because they have been burned.  If you come to this board on a regular basis you'll see the posts.  People getting dinged because their hardcover didn't have a dust jacket but the requestor had no RC requiring one.  People getting dinged with a perfectly postable book that had some minor flaw and the person had "I only want like new books" for an RC.  Stuff like that. So many people just turn them down rather than deal with the aggravation.,  I personally will turn down anything vague, asking for a PM or that just seems too picky.  I didn't find the OP's conditions to be too picky.  I've accepted many with RCS that just asked to be sure the book met PBS guidelines. I'm ok with that.  It's the " I only want books in like new or mint condition" or the "how does is smell to you?" or the "pm with a description" ones that I decline. 

FYI: in the games forum there's an damaged virtual box where you can exchange unpostable books for other unpostable but still readable books. 



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Date Posted: 10/23/2008 7:19 PM ET
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I had an almost new pp with water damage on the title page. When I received the RC I emailed the girl and she said go ahead and send it. Today she just said that it did not meet her conditions and I decided not to take RC's anymore... Sorry, no sympathy here. A book with any liquid damage should never have been posted in the first place. Posting a book that does not meet PBS guidelines and then PMing the requester asking them to accept it for a credit should never happen. If it doesn't meet guidelines it should never be on a bookshelf available for order in the first place.

 

To the OP - I try to never turn down RCs, but if I had a book that I felt was postable, but was a little more worn, I would probably turn down your RC the same way. What you consider "not excessively worn" may be very different from what I do and I wouldn't take the change of sending a book that you wouldn't be happy with.    

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 7:24 PM ET
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"And I don't understand those people that decline RC's without even reading them. That's ignorant in my opinion."

I don't think that it is.  I will say here that I'm not someone who automatically declines an RC, but if I think there's even a remote chance it doesn't meet requestor conditions, I will decline.

I have seen RC's worded in such a way that it appears the requester will pick apart every little thing about the book looking for a chance to claim RC's weren't met and demand thier credit back.  Life's too short to deal with overly picky people (I'm NOT including the OP in this category).

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 7:33 PM ET
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"And I don't understand those people that decline RC's without even reading them. That's ignorant in my opinion."

Not ignorant, I feel its just laziness. The fact they will not even take the time to read even part of the RC is silly since it might not even be refering to the book they have.  Like peoples requests for dustjackets when you have a paperback.

Cindy, sorry I would have done the same thing marked it as RWP. No water damage means just that not only damaged on one page or in one corner.

OP: maybe the sender did not think you would be able to repost that book after you read it as it was on its last read OR they might factor in it was nearly on its last read and you might be a rough handler of books and then not be able to repost it. (not saying you, just an example).

 

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 8:40 PM ET
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Maybe ignorant is too harsh a word? But I still don't agree with the people who turn down RC's without even reading them. Laziness is a great word for it Pam. :)

And I wasn't calling the people who are DOING it ignorant, I was calling their actions ignorant. Just wanted to clear that up. :)

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 10:44 PM ET
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And I wasn't calling the people who are DOING it ignorant, I was calling their actions ignorant.  Yeah..um..same thing. To say someone acts with ignorance is to say they are ignorant. 

How about the word cautious? They don't read them because they are going to be too worried to send the book no matter what they say. Do I agree with the practice? No. But it is their choice and I think it hurts them more than the other person. They are stuck with their book until they can find someone without RCs; me and my RCs are on to the next copy of the book. 

Date Posted: 10/23/2008 10:55 PM ET
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I had a person request a book with an RC (not worded quite as nicely as yours) but essentially telling me not to send a unpostable book. Well, i don't post unpostable books and if I sent an unpostable book PBS has a system in place to handle it. Yes, you might get burned but eventually the poster of unpostable books will be weeded out. I sent the book but I was on pins and needles because I was afraid that she would decide that my postable book didn't meet her RC and mark it RWAP. She didn't but I decided that fretting about it wasn't worth the hassle.

So if you have an RC that says, no smoking or no pets or HC must have dust jackets, something that I can be certain I can meet or not, I'll send if I can. But if you are telling me, follow the rules, I'm probably not going to send. I already follow the rules and I feel like I'm opening myself up to a subjective RC where I end out the credit even though I follow the rules.

JMHO

susan/vt

Date Posted: 10/24/2008 1:55 AM ET
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Date Posted: 10/25/2008 8:11 PM ET
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<<I had an almost new pp with water damage on the title page. When I received the RC I emailed the girl and she said go ahead and send it. Today she just said that it did not meet her conditions and I decided not to take RC's anymore... Sorry, no sympathy here. A book with any liquid damage should never have been posted in the first place. Posting a book that does not meet PBS guidelines and then PMing the requester asking them to accept it for a credit should never happen. If it doesn't meet guidelines it should never be on a bookshelf available for order in the first place.>>

Amen to that, Melanie.

<<if you are telling me, follow the rules, I'm probably not going to send>>

Susan, since I have a similar RC, let me apologize and express that we're not trying to offend you.  We're trying to reach the new (hopefully new?) members that haven't read the rules (or didn't know there were any), as well as those few who feel the rules do not apply to them, because we've received more disgustingly (see above) damaged books than we care to acknowledge.  I'm sorry if that hurts the feelings of those who know and follow the rules; it isn't intended to do so.  If you've got suggestions as to how to accomplish that goal without giving offense, please let me know :-)

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 10/25/2008 9:55 PM ET
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boogers between pages,

I got one like that once...disgusting.

 

It shouldn't be a chance you take, because books SHOULD be meeting PBS guidelines.

I think you missed the point, Colleen (IMO, I didn't make the point, so I could be wrong, lol).  It's the chance you take having *any* RC, not just one about PBS Guidelines.   You (generic you) have the right to have RCs and I (generic me, I guess, lol) have the right to decline any and all RCs simply because I don't want to deal with them.  Do I, personally do that? No.  Do some people?  Yep and I don't really blame them.  I do agree w/ Melanie that cautious might be a good word here, but the reality is that no word is really needed.  It is Member A's right to have any RC they'd like and it is Member B's right to decline any RC or all RCs as they see fit. 

Date Posted: 10/25/2008 10:40 PM ET
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Catt,  I wasn't offended. And I don't know the answer to this one. I guess we all wish we did. I personally do read all RCs and give serious consideration to each one. Just sometimes some RCs make me feel uncomfortable and if I feel unsure about how my book is going to be received when I know there is nothing wrong with it then I'm going to choose to decline it. I'm not going to PM the requestor and discuss it, I'm just going to decline.

I will say again that your request is worded more politely than the one I received and that would probably go a long way to easing my mind. And hey, if I knew it was you, I'd send in a heartbeat. I've seen you on the forum enough to know that you are good people.

Anyway, I'm sorry if my post offended you. And I love the quote in your sig.

susan/vt

Date Posted: 10/25/2008 10:55 PM ET
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<<Anyway, I'm sorry if my post offended you.>>

Not at all -- just trying to facilitate communication and potential constructive feedback on my RCs.  Thank you for the compliments :-)

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 10/25/2008 11:13 PM ET
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I think you missed the point, Colleen (IMO, I didn't make the point, so I could be wrong, lol).  It's the chance you take having *any* RC, not just one about PBS Guidelines.   You (generic you) have the right to have RCs and I (generic me, I guess, lol) have the right to decline any and all RCs simply because I don't want to deal with them.  Do I, personally do that? No.  Do some people?  Yep and I don't really blame them.  I do agree w/ Melanie that cautious might be a good word here, but the reality is that no word is really needed.  It is Member A's right to have any RC they'd like and it is Member B's right to decline any RC or all RCs as they see fit.

*sigh* This will be the last time I visit this post, but I want to make my point clear.

I don't think I missed the point at all. While my view may be unpopular, it's how I feel. People shouldn't automatically turn down RC's because that RC just might be thanking them for being a member of PBS. To decline without reading makes absolutely NO sense to me. But they are hurting themselves more than the member requesting.

Date Posted: 10/25/2008 11:50 PM ET
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Of course, what people should do and what people have the right to do don't always go together, and I think this is what frustrates Colleen.

I mean, seriously, how can we expect folks in this type of club to read instructions, RCs or other informational material? Oh, the humanity! :-)

:::plants tongue firmly in cheek:::::

Cheers,

Catt

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 10/27/2008 3:38 AM ET
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The way I feel about it, if  people aren't smart enough to read the RCs and posting guides for comprehension, they probably aren't smart enough to check their books for damage.  So it's no loss to me when they decline!

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