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Subject: Different editions of the same book should not count toward 200 wishlist li
Date Posted: 3/16/2011 10:41 AM ET
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but it continues to frustrate me to no end.

Thank you.

Date Posted: 3/16/2011 11:12 AM ET
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Emily - The PBS Team doesn't read the forums so if you have any suggestions, it's best to contact them via the Feedback page: http://www.paperbackswap.com/feedback/index.php

 

Date Posted: 3/16/2011 11:18 AM ET
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You can always use your TBR List or your Reminder list  as an overflow. And no need to expand your wishes to those books that had their own ISBN assigned, usually has (no cover available ) I looked at your wish list, you have many listed with the no cover that are for ISBN's just for that one copy. you can free up space on your list by deleting those.



Last Edited on: 3/16/11 11:24 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/16/2011 1:13 PM ET
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Yes, as DG said if you want the Team to have your sugestion you need to submit it via feedback.  I know this has been brought up to them before, but perhaps they will implement it if enough people contact them and ask. 

Or not.  You never know.  :)

Date Posted: 3/16/2011 6:32 PM ET
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Different editions of the same book should not count toward 200 wishlist list

Why not?  I'm not trying to be snotty or combative, but this subject comes up from time to time and I don't understand the rationale.  Each ISBN on your WL puts you in line for a different copy of the book, so why shouldn't it take up a spot in your 200?  You are taking a spot in line that could be going to someone else who also wants that same book, right?  To me it's a matter of choice as to how important it is I obtain a copy of a book.  If I really want a copy, any copy at all because it's a book I want to add to a collection or something, then I'll put every available binding on my WL.  If I just want a copy to read and binding doesn't matter, then I'll generally choose whichever has the shortest WL line.  Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have more than 200 spots available to play with, but since that's not the case, it comes down to prioritizing those titles most important to me and placing the rest on my reminder list so I can transfer a new title easily when a space opens up.

Date Posted: 3/16/2011 7:31 PM ET
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You might also free up valuable space by not wishing for the large print editions unless it is a" have to have book", they are not posted as often.

Date Posted: 3/16/2011 7:48 PM ET
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I love the fact that we can wish for EXACTLY the ISBN we want, rather than wishing for titles or bindings and not knowing exactly which edition you are going to get.  I belong to another book swapping site that collapses everything by title, so if you wished for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo you may be offered a hardcover, paperback, etc. when offered a trade.  To be able to wish for a specific ISBN is priceless to me.  I wouldn't change a thing in that respect.

Now, if we start discussing whether a 200 book limit is adequate for my needs, well, that's another story entirely.

Date Posted: 3/17/2011 9:12 AM ET
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"f I just want a copy to read and binding doesn't matter, then I'll generally choose whichever has the shortest WL line."

 

But the shortest line will probably be the hardest-to-find edition, one that no one else has wished for.  One book I'm wishing for has at least a dozen editions, and one of the ones with the most wishes is probably the one I will get (based on position, wishes granted, etc.).  (And when it does, a lot of slots are going to be freed up for me!)

 

(At least here you get some idea of how many of a book are being sent; on Swap-a-DVD there's no clue.)

Date Posted: 3/17/2011 9:36 AM ET
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I usually do the opposite and remove the ones with a short WL that never get posted.  Like Evelyn said-you want to get the ones on there that are being posted regularly.  It does no good to keep the 1 where you are the only wisher but it only gets posted once every couple of years.  Much better to WL the ones where you might be #85 but several copies a month are being posted. 

Date Posted: 3/17/2011 10:55 AM ET
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I keep my full WL at another site, and as soon as I am able to order a book here, I import that wishlist here to fill the empty spots and bring it back to 200.  Yes, the 200-book limit on the WL was a poor decision by PBS, but we have to learn to live within it.

Date Posted: 3/17/2011 1:56 PM ET
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I think the WL limit was implemented because when there was no limit there were people who had 1,000's of books on their WL.  The WL lines for many books were even more insane then they are for some now.  But I only know that from the forums.   I think there should be a limit but perhaps 200 is too low.  Maybe 300 would be better.

Amy
Date Posted: 3/17/2011 4:40 PM ET
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The 200 limit is best because of the FIFO system. It wouldn't be fair to members just joining if they were #4081 in line for just about every book they wanted because the WL was limitless.

Date Posted: 3/17/2011 5:03 PM ET
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"If I just want a copy to read and binding doesn't matter, then I'll generally choose whichever has the shortest WL line."

But the shortest line will probably be the hardest-to-find edition, one that no one else has wished for.

I don't find this to be the case in many of the books I'm requesting, but yes, I can see how this would be the case, depending on the book itself,.  Sometimes it's merely a matter of a paperback book that hasn't been released just yet, so the numbers are considerably higher for the hardbound edition. If it's a rarely posted book, then I put all editions on my WL.  As far as whether or not 200 is sufficient, I tend to feel that no matter what number TPTB choose, it would never be enough for most of us.  When I first joined, the thought of having 200 books on my WL seemed ridiculous.  Now that I'm nearing the 200 mark, I realize the foolishness of that initial thought. LOL!  I have a feeling that no matter the allowed number, we'd all manage to find a way to fill our lists to capacity. smiley

Date Posted: 3/17/2011 5:27 PM ET
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Well .... sure, I would love to put more books on my Wish List.

But as a practical matter .... how many books can / do most people actually read in, say, a year?

Let's say the average "reader"  reads 2 books a week ... thats only 104 books a year, anyway. So, waiting in line for 200 books is a 2 years supply.  That seems like it ought to be perfectly adequate (yes, I know ... different editions and all, so the count becomes less, but I still think the point is valid).

I myself read between 3 and 7 books a week (depends on what I am doing on the weekend), but between the books I have already ordered and the ones that trickle in from my Wish List already, I have more than enough to last me for at least a year, if I was to stop acquiring books today.

Would I like to put 200 more books on my WL? Of course. But to be perfectly honest, if they started coming to me, they would just expand my TBR pile, because no matter how fast I can acquire books ... I can only read them at the pace I have always read them, and they would just sit around longer until I got a chance to read them anyway. Better that they are circulating to the people who can read them sooner ... and then when I decide its time for me to really read them, they will either be available to order already, or the line will be short at that point.

I've gotten pretty good at figuring out what kinds of books are going to be in the system quickly ... and those I just stick on my reminder list and wait for them to be available. I order quite a few that way, even in the genres like paranormal where a lot of books published 2 or 3 years ago hover at having one copy available, then having a WL of 2 or 3, then having a copy available, etc.

 

 

Date Posted: 3/17/2011 7:08 PM ET
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I tend to not WL anything that I know will move pretty quickly.  You do get a knack after awhile for knowing what is woth using WL space for and what will likely be easy to find in a thrift store or the book bazaar pretty soon. 

And if I get a gift certificate for selling credits, an Amazon deal or from my Amazon credit card points-I try to use it on buying one of those rarely posted, super slow moving books.  Or a book that's taking up multiple spaces on my WL that I don't think my library will ever get.

Date Posted: 3/18/2011 1:05 PM ET
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Sara, interesting points, but there are people like me, who has a WL filled here and elsewhere with stuff I might not see posted in the next 10 years, but I'd like to try.  I suspect that's probably the case for many people with filled WL, a lot of books that are either rare, old, or infrequently given away.

Also, a lot of my books in the WL are for others.  My family decided to consolidate accounts so that we don't have to trade credits back and forth all the time.

And yes, the different editions thing you mention too.  So in the case of my 200 WL, if I see 10 books for myself this year, I'll be impressed.

Date Posted: 3/18/2011 1:47 PM ET
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but there are people like me, who has a WL filled here and elsewhere with stuff I might not see posted in the next 10 years, but I'd like to try.  I suspect that's probably the case for many people with filled WL, a lot of books that are either rare, old, or infrequently given away.

OK, but a larger Wish List could work against you, too .... because if the Wish List was still unlimited, then there would probably be more collectors or resellers hanging around in line for as many out of print or hard to find books as possible. Having the limit means that there are just more Wish List spots open for everyone ... and they have to choose what they most want to obtain.

Although I don't generally suspect anybody of being a bookseller, as there is really no way to make much of a profit off of MOST books traded here .... if you (editorial "you")  were a reseller and could put yourself in 500 lines or 700 lines without penalty ... why wouldn't you do it? I think the site would be much more attractive to that type of member IF the Wish Lists were unlimited.

It just means that instead of being first in some of your lines (I have no idea if you are or not ... just guessing), you would probably be sitting behind a collector or reseller who is in 'every" line, and they would get the one and only copy of the book posted in the next two years.

Here is an example. I collect books about African Art, (some I buy new, but I acquire a surprising amount from library sales) ... but you won't see any on my Wish List at PBS. Why? Because I had to weigh out the liklihood of someone posting an expensive art book here against the sure thing of someone posting other books that I want to read. If the Wish List was unlimited, I would absolutely be in line for every single book on the subject (and likely also be #1 in line on most of the books). Would that really be fair to everybody else at PBS if I was to corner the market on the whole subject like that? The only reason that I don't do it is because Wish Lists are limited, and for me, the spots are more useful for other books.

But if the PBS rules changed and let me do it, I would absolutely have a Wish List filled up with every book on the subject.



Last Edited on: 3/18/11 1:59 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 3/18/2011 3:11 PM ET
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Well, I don't see this as much of a problem, since someone who loads up their WL with a lot of stuff is either going to 1) order it instead of something else they're wishing for, 2) not order it because they ran out of points, in which case it'll go to the next person anyway, or 3) buy points to get it.

Scenarios 1 & 3 help out PBS, since it'll generate more income to keep the club going (I'm assuming the use of printed DC or postage for this statement) and keep the club active.  Also, since books would be likely to move out of people's book shelves faster, you would have less of the dissatisfaction that new members often experience, when they see the same books sit on their shelves for days, weeks, months, or even years.

The only thing it does is create FALSE hope, by making the WL lines shorter.  But assuming people behave like us, and refill those WL spots regularly, it's actually just an illusion, because the same number of people are hoping to get the book - they just can't mark it officially.

Date Posted: 3/18/2011 3:36 PM ET
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Well, I don't see this as much of a problem, since someone who loads up their WL with a lot of stuff is either going to 1) order it instead of something else they're wishing for, 2) not order it because they ran out of points, in which case it'll go to the next person anyway, or 3) buy points to get it.

Until PBS instituted the 50 credit transfer cap ... it was possible to make money trading books at PBS. Not by reselling books, like most people think, but by having a deep shelf, offering multi-credit deals, and then selling the credits. None of this activity is against the rules, and there were some members that were obviously making money this way.

If I had a 700 item Wish List, I could absolutely afford to request every single book (not all at once, of course, but WL books trickle in over time as we all know) ... to support my current 200 item Wish List,  I have 80 credits right now that only cost me just about $1 a piece to obtain. When I want to obtain credits as cheaply as possible, I offer a book deal, but only for more than one credit.

I know it seems contrary to logic that by offering free books to people, PBS actually becomes cheaper to use ... but it does, I have posted the math on this many times in the past.

I know there are other members out there with pots of credits, too.

You are right in general terms, many members could not afford to sustain a 700 item WL ... but there are quite a few of us out there who absolutely could ... not because we necessarily have more money, but because we have more books, or know whre to get cheap good condition books, and know how to use them to manipulate PBS to be cheaper than normal to use.