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Subject: Different info in my Wish List and from a search by author
Date Posted: 10/8/2009 2:46 PM ET
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I'm a new member who is trying to figure out how the system works. I did a search for the book 'Blink', found the first paperback in the list, and put it on my Wish List. It says there are 452 people waiting for this book.

Then I opened another window, pulled up a Wish List search by author and title (Blink, by Malcolm Gladwell), all types of binding. I got 11 hits, none of which were the ISBN on my Wish List. All these 11 added up to 319 people Wishing.

-Where is the discrepancy? And where is the ISBN I put on my Wish List? (I got that from a search)

- How does this actually work? I don't really care about which ISBN of 'Blink' I get, I just want the first paperback I can get.

- Why can't I request just by author and title? I'm sure this has come up before and there is a good reason, but I am finding this insistance on ISBN as the only identifier difficult to work with.

Thanks, Hope

Date Posted: 10/8/2009 2:53 PM ET
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Date Posted: 10/8/2009 2:57 PM ET
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Hi Hope!


There are a few things that can happen here.  Depending on your settings, you can opt to get "similar book" e-mails from PBS which are unwishlisted ISBNs that are "up for grabs".  Or, if all ISBNs are WL, you will be offered the one that you are first in line for, then you will need to remove all of the other ISBNs from your WL.

Some of the ISBNs may be lesser-available versions (European, for example), or books that people added to the system at one point without an ISBN, and other folks have just jumped on the bandwagon.

You can look up titles by an author; if you click on the author's name when you are looking at a book, it will bring up a list of all of their titles and, I believe, ISBNs.  The red/green font will let you know which are available to be ordered right now.  I use this option frequently when I am looking for other books by authors that I have enjoyed.

I hope that is helpful!

ETA: I have no idea what happend to your original ISBN -- earlier this month, someone had trouble finding another WL title (I think it was The Thirteenth Tale)...



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Date Posted: 10/8/2009 3:47 PM ET
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You have to put every version you want on your WL. They do it this way because some people only want specific bindings. So they can't just blanket WL by title. 

Date Posted: 10/8/2009 5:47 PM ET
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Make sure that the numbers are not the short 5 or 6 numbered ones.  Those are for books that don't match the listing.  They can be a one time post.  Or a Book Club version.  Or a sample given out by the publisher, such as at conventions.  But they usually move really slow.  The exception is when the publisher uses the same number on the paperback and the hard cover.  (I personally check Amazon's website to look for those.)

Subject: Wish List different from Search
Date Posted: 10/8/2009 5:57 PM ET
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Mary L. said, ' They do it this way because some people only want specific bindings. So they can't just blanket WL by title.'

Why not?

Why can't I say I want only a specific ISBN, or any  paperback of the same title and author?

Why can't the system send an email to everyone who wants a book if they don't care about a specific ISBN?

I'm spending a LOT of time trying to get the word out that have some books that are on peoples' wish lists. Since they're different ISBNs, they don't get matched.

They aren't linked, so NO email goes out, even though there are people who want the book. Evidently the link only happens if the publisher furnishes it.

OK, so the author changes publishers and the new one reissues some of her old titles. Happens a lot. The new ISBN isn't linked to the old, and it certainly isn't similar, so nothing happens.

This is a computer. It can do this kind of thing very easily. I did software for a lot of years, so I guess I always look at how the system is designed.

I'm sure the people who set up PBS looked at this and decided against it, and I guess I'm just curious as to why. The guy who trained me insisted that the software made things easy for people, not the other way around. Maybe i learned too well.

Anyway, that's what I'd like--to have the option to match based on title and author, not just ISBN. I'd even like to say I should be notified whether it's hardback or paper. Sometimes I don't care, I just want to read the book.

Date Posted: 10/8/2009 6:39 PM ET
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Date Posted: 10/8/2009 6:48 PM ET
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The system does send an email out when a different version of a WL book is posted(if the posted version isn't WL). But people have the option to turn that off. Many do because they want the one they have on WL and don't want a barrage of emails everyday.  I have it turned off. I WL a lot of audiobooks that are heavily posted in several print versions. I was getting 20-30 emails a day (no exagerration).  Pain in the butt so I turned that option off. 

Here's what I would do: I would put the books I have that are WL in other versions on my reminder list to see how many copies of mine are in the system. If there's more than a few copies in the system then I wouldn't waste my time-those people want the WL version and only the WL version. If there's only a couple of my version posted: then I'd tag the WL version with the ISBN # of mine "x posted under ISBN".

I've found when I have the only copy or the one w/only a couple of copies of a book that's WL in another version: it get's ordered pretty quickly just from the Books Posted Today page. 

Date Posted: 10/8/2009 6:55 PM ET
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Date Posted: 10/8/2009 6:56 PM ET
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Hope: I just checked out your shelf.  I happened to see Scandal by Amanda Quick on someone's WL today.  Your version was on my reminder list already. So I checked and saw that there's 76 copies of your version in the system. I dont know why those other 6 people have that one mass market paperback version on their WL instead of ordering your version.  It could be a newer version of the book and they just want a newer book. Or they could have accidentally had it set to WL when they did the search.  Who knows.  But I put a tag on it that said "76 posted under ISBN 0553289322".  So who knows maybe some of those people will order it instead of waiting.  But unless yours is near the top it won't do you much good.

Date Posted: 10/8/2009 8:20 PM ET
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Thanks, Mary. I appreciate all the help I can get!

On the Wish List, I was under the impression that the 'similar version' email is not sent out unless the version are linked, and this info is provided by the publisher. If this is not correct, then I would be delighted.

I went through the books I was considering posting and specifically chose those that were on the Club Wish List. Almost none were shown as matches, and almost none are shown as linked. That is why I've started asking questions.

So I can use the 'Feedback' link to make this suggestion? Maybe that's what I need to do. 

Thanks, Hope

Date Posted: 10/8/2009 9:10 PM ET
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If someone posts an ISBN that is wishlisted right now, e-mails won't go out when sometime posts the book.  It will be offered to the person who has been waiting longest for that ISBN.  If instead it was offered to the whole population of people wanting "Blink," then it would go to someone who happened to be logged on at that time, rather than to the person who has been waiting the longest.

When that person receives that book, as part of the process of marking the book received, he'll be asked if he wants to remove the other versions of Blink from his wish list, so the system does see them as linked, at least some of the titles.

If someone posts one of the  ISBNs that is not wishlisted -- and there are a number of them -- and the software recognizes that it's the same book, the "similar to" e-mail goes out.  (I received an e-mail like that a few days ago for a different title, and placed an order.)  I'm guessing though that if one book is named "Blink : The Power of Thinking Without Thinking" and the other just "Blink", the software may not group them together, so the E-mail won't go out.  If the author is listed in 2 different ways, that could cause them not to be linked too.

There might be a way for them to program a feature that allows someone to "add all versions" to a wish list.  You could send that suggestion in by clicking on (don't hover over) the Help Center, choose "contact the PBS Team", and use the feedback feature.  It likely would not add the non-ISBN postings, since they aren't recognized as being the same book.

And PBS is an ISBN-based site.  So people who want Large Print books can WL that ISBN, people who can't hold heavy books can WL smaller books.  Those who are trying to complete a collection of a series can WL a particular ISBN.  When I don't care which version of a book I want, it just takes me a short time to click on the "+ WL" button for a bunch of different ISBNs.



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Date Posted: 10/8/2009 9:14 PM ET
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I tag different versions of books all the time.  There might be the UK number, the book club number, the re issued one.  I just put a tag "also under ISBN XXXX". 

Another thing to check is if the author's name is the same on all the versions.  If one has the middle name and another just the initial, then they do not index together.  You would need to go to the edit book info page to change that.  And leave a reason, the book data group is all volunteers. 

Date Posted: 10/9/2009 12:11 PM ET
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Date Posted: 10/10/2009 11:30 AM ET
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I did some more testing yesterday. It seems that a book on your WL may not show up when you do a general search.

'Blink' is on my WL, and it did not show up on a search by author/title. It did show up on a search by ISBN.

I tried a different book, that I knew a lot of people had WL, and did a search by title/author. I chose one version and put it on my Reminder List. The search showed everything.

Then I moved that version to my WL and did the search again. It did NOT show up.

So it seems there is a reason for it! Didn't feel like a glitch to me, from over 25 years in software, but you never know.

Thanks for all the help from so many people, as I try to understand how the system works.

I did put in a suggestion (via Feedback) that we have an option for notification by title/author as well as ISBN for books on our WL. It could be easy or impossible to implement, depending on how the software is designed.

Hope

Date Posted: 10/10/2009 11:51 AM ET
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In your search, is *Posted Books* one of your filters or *All Books*? That could be the difference...

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Date Posted: 10/10/2009 12:40 PM ET
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I wish the default was for All Books.  If I change it to that it holds it while I'm logged in. But as soon as I leave the computer and it logs me out-It defaults back to posted books only. 

Also author names are a real problem in PBS.  I've had the Windflower by Laura London on my WL for a long time.  The other day I did a search just see if I was missing any versions.  And I found 3 of them with the wrong author name listed.  I submitted edits for them.  I think that the author name on those other versions were the actual author names and Laura London the pen-name.  But the book cover shows Laura London and that's how they should be listed.   If those names were on the cover I wouldn't have submitted an edit.  They weren't well-known author names that anyone would search under (like Nora Roberts being JD Robb).   



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Date Posted: 10/10/2009 1:15 PM ET
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'Blink' is on my WL, and it did not show up on a search by author/title. It did show up on a search by ISBN.

Very strange. I've searched on my WL'd books, and so far they've all come up under author, tite and ISBN search, under "All Books", "Wishlisted Books" and "Unposted Books".

I don't know why you wouldn't see them on the all three lists, under all three searches, no matter what list you have it on in your personal account. The search feature shouldn't care what books you already have on your own lists.