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Topic: Has there been any discussion of paperback swap credits for ebook loans?

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Subject: Has there been any discussion of paperback swap credits for ebook loans?
Date Posted: 3/11/2011 3:09 PM ET
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Since you can only lend once, it would make sense to get a paperback swap credit for lending a book.  Has there been a discussion of that anywhere here?

Date Posted: 3/11/2011 3:31 PM ET
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No discussion because ebooks are not swapable on PBS and therefore, it is against the rules to ask for a credit. 

The team is looking into ways to incorporate ebooks, until then, we can participate in one of the lending user groups or swap amoung friends, but PBS credits can't be used and PBS will not involve themselves in any ebook swap that you make with another member.



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Date Posted: 3/11/2011 3:32 PM ET
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TPB said NO! 

Date Posted: 3/11/2011 5:03 PM ET
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Why would they allow you to sell credits for cash, but not to trade one for an ebook loan?

Date Posted: 3/11/2011 5:18 PM ET
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Why would they allow you to sell credits for cash, but not to trade one for an ebook loan?

Because they don't have anything to do with the ebook business.

They don't have any way to facilitate, nor police, trades between people for ebooks. And they certainly can't put a 'price' on them. Kindle and Nook books are loanable through those companies, and they have specific rules that have to be followed. I haven't traded any Nook books, but I've traded several Kindle books and you have to go through Amazon to do it. They've got it set up, they've got the lendable books marked, and they handle the transaction between loaner and borrower.

PBS doesn't have anything to do with any of that, and I don't see an advantage to branching out and taking on that kind of responsibility and doing the necessary negotiations unless they got a huge benefit from it. And I don't see that happening when you can go to other sites on-line and borrow the 'lendable' books, legally, for free.

Also, I don't see a lendable book being worth a credit. The borrower can only have access to the book for a limited amount of time before it times out and can't be re-borrowed from the same person. And the borrower can't do anything with it, other than return it early.

I don't see it worth a credit for that limited time, and when you can get them for free, and when the cost of a credit would (in quite a few cases) actually buy the borrower their own copy of the book. Many lendable books started out as freebies, and many are only $3 in price to start with.

I just don't see it worth their while to bother getting into. Credits for cash is done off-site, and they don't get into any disputes AFAIK. And their system didn't have to be changed to allow it.

 

Date Posted: 3/11/2011 7:38 PM ET
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I wouldn't pay a credit for a 2 week loan, personally. If it's one I end up really liking and want to keep, I'm SOL. I could have used that credit to order myself a keeper copy. Or to keep it on my bookshelf and read it at my leisure. Or loan it to my sisters to read. Or play book hockey with. Whatever, lol.

I haven't borrowed an ebook yet, but when I do see one I'd like to borrow being offered, I plan to offer one to them in kind.

Date Posted: 3/11/2011 11:10 PM ET
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I see it more of a gift from one book reader to another. After I purchase the ebook, I have an opportunity on some, but not all purchases to lend it for a short time. It's a gift from me to another with no expected in return. Now, if one person seems to do a lot of borrowing but no lending, then the group will have to be self policing (ala Freecycle). If one person lends a lot but can never seem to get a lend back, then they may decide to lend their books on another site/group. It's all still very fluid.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 3:55 PM ET
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there is already a site you can borrow and lend on with your kindle. Booklending.com. Since kindle users cant borrow from the library's ebook sites, this is a good way to connect kindle users with each other. It's free, but sometimes you have to wait awhile for a book you have requested to be offered by another member. The good part is they have it set up so the site's algorithim rewards those who lend a lot by giving them a place higher up on a waiting list to borrow. This in turn, makes people want to lend more so the site stays pretty full of books.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 6:00 PM ET
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This sites going to be up & running soon http://ebookfling.com/   They are using the cr system like PBS!  That will keep track of Loaners/Borrowers LOL 

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 6:03 PM ET
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They are using the cr system like PBS!

And I'm not even sure that it'll do all that well if they're also selling those credits. Which is seems they will be.

Why go to a site and buy credits to borrow a book when you can borrow them for free on other sites? Or when the price could be almost the whole price to buy your own ebook you can keep for longer than 14 days?

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 6:22 PM ET
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Not sure how is going to work.  But from what I read when I joined crs will cost $1.99   You use them to "Borrow eBooks"  Then spend them to get eBooks you want to read.   I Dont think the eBooks are keepers.  Still just 2 week loan.  I just hoping that when it starts you post XX amount of eBooks then get XX Free crs to start with......    I an NOT going to buy any crs from the site!! 

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 7:13 PM ET
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Ok, but let's say I get my brand new Nook so I can get library books and I have no intention whatsoever of buying books from B&N. So I have no books to list for LendMe because I don't own any. The library has a lot of books, but there are certain publishers that won't sell to Overdrive so there are authors I would like to read on my Nook that I can't get for free. But Barbara bought the new Lisa Kleypas book and listed it as LendMe because she's nice that way. I could spend $3.45 to buy a PBS credit and get a paper copy, or I could spend $1.99 and buy an ebook lend credit and request that Lisa Kleypas book from Barbara. She would have no idea I purchased the credit rather than loaned out a book myself. Read the book in the allotted two weeks and move on.

Where's Barbara going to spend her credit? At least at PBS the credit price from the kiosk is more than what it would cost to mail a book and earn one (forget about bargain Book Bazaar credits for this discussion). I would assume if they are going to sell credits that they would have to maintain a "book depository" type thing similar to where PBS has to have a book available to order for every outstanding credit for tax reasons. Guess what the ebookfling owners are going to list? Remember all those classics we all got for free last summer? They all have LendMe capability. So eventually this site will be top heavy with freebie stuff and low on the purchased LendMe products.

But we should all get some good stuff at the start. Just don't get too carried away building up credits.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 7:19 PM ET
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I would spent the cr Borrowing another book I didnt want to buy!  LOL   Same as here BUT no Postage LOL   I guess when people have to many crs they would sell them like we do here.  



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Date Posted: 3/12/2011 7:32 PM ET
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I don't really see the point in doing credits for lending ebooks through Kindle or Nook (even if it was allowed) because the book comes back to you after two weeks.  It is not a permanent swap and there are no postage fees.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 7:45 PM ET
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I just think it would be a great way to bring people that have eReaders together & expand on eBooks that can be borrowed.  So far in the Kindle Yahoo swap most are Free books I have or non I am interested in.  I sure its the same with the Nook swapers.   And cr help keep any one person from always borrowing before others get a chance.   Mean IF they have a WL like we do here.  Everyone gets a chance.

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 8:44 PM ET
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So far in the Kindle Yahoo swap most are Free books I have or non I am interested in.

Have you tried BookLending.com or "Books For My Kindle" trade sites yet? They're pretty good. I have some quibbles with them, but they're new and tweaking things.

 

 

Date Posted: 3/12/2011 11:44 PM ET
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I looked at the site....Didnt like what I saw.   So I decided to see how the new one going to work out.   Mostly right now I Borrowing from the MD Library system LOL   OH and I am a member of the Kindle Yahoo lending group here!  So far I dont have anything I can add to my list.   Discouraging as I purchased several hundred dollars in ebooks but only the freebies are loanable  grrr



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Date Posted: 3/13/2011 6:19 AM ET
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For me, two weeks is long enough to be done with a book.  I never read the same book twice.  So yes, the book comes back to the owner but they no longer have the ability to lend it to someone else.  I just feel like a credit is a fair share for using the one shot lending.  The original owner of the ebook often paid $10 to read it.  Being able to get credits seems like it would encourage people to buy more lendable books instead of just waiting for someone else to give it to them for free.  

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 8:12 AM ET
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Problem is the buyer has no clue What books that Are lendable until they Buy the eBook!  I ONLY buy books that are cheep or I Know I will be rereading.  Loaning them is Not the reason I got my eReader Nor is Borrowing them.  IF I Borrow a book its only to see IF it is a new Author I would like to Buy their eBooks.  I would think others were doing the same.  IF you only read books once then I would suggest you check out your library & see what eBooks they offer.   The idea of sharing is You would also have books someone would like to try. 

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 8:26 AM ET
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Actually you can tell if its lendable before buying.  If you search for the kindle edition of a book in the product details section it will say "Lending: Enabled"  

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 9:47 AM ET
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Ok I didnt know that,  BUT I Not Buying books I Dont want to Just to Lend.   I Buying eBooks for ME!  Lending is something I would enjoy doing just to introduce My Fav Authors to Others!  You dont buy books you just want them Given to you!  By your own words your telling me I should buy books just to let you read them!  No Thanks!

Date Posted: 3/13/2011 2:28 PM ET
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No, I don't buy an ebook based on it being lendable. I might pick up used physical books for trade here if they're cheap enough, or I have UBS credits I don't have any other use for. But they have to be cheap and in good condition so if I trade them here I feel I can at least get the cost of postage out of the deal.

But I don't buy ebooks for other people. And the ones I do have I'm just as happy to trade for free on the other sites. I've lent out books and gotten some good books myself, for nothing but signing up and learning to use the site.

For me, I'd rather do it that way for now, buy what I'm interested in for myself then if there's a lendable feature it's just a bonus to share. Especially since a lot of them were available for free on Amazon to start with.