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Subject: Drowning in a sea of confusion
Date Posted: 11/3/2007 4:40 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/3/2007 4:50 PM ET
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Yes there are scenarios in which you can get around both the wish list line, and the fifo ordering system.



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Date Posted: 11/3/2007 4:54 PM ET
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you got it

:>)

Date Posted: 11/3/2007 5:00 PM ET
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Yes, you've got it mostly figured out. PBS works on the FIFO (first in, first out) system primarily, and its a good way to keep things moving.

So, generally, yes, you add a book to your WL and anyone that added before you would be get it first. But if someone were perusing your WL, saw that you wanted something they had, they could post it directly to your WL, bypassing the FIFO system in that instance.

Same deal with your bookshelf, you list your book and it becomes... say, the 513th copy of The Client in the system. Well, according to FIFO, 512 people would have their book ordered before yours. But in actuality, I could browse your bookshelf, see the book, decide it might be interesting and order it - you've just jumped ahead in the line again. I tend to do this quite a bit, b/c I do a lot of bulk orders - I'd rather order 5 books from one person, than from 5 different people.

HTH!

Date Posted: 11/3/2007 6:00 PM ET
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Terri, while what you say is true, most books are traded by the FIFO system.  If you have a wish-listed book to post, you wouldn't need to search for someone who had it on their wishlist, because once you post it, it will be offered to the person in the number one position.  If you happen to find someone on the forums who mentions wanting that book, you could post it directly to them.

I'm only trying to clarify because I don't want you to have the impression that it's pointless to use the FIFO system.  There are over 1-1/2 million books available here, so why limit yourself to only a few bookshelves?

 

Date Posted: 11/3/2007 6:22 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/3/2007 6:25 PM ET
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I don't usually go out looking at people's shelves for books.  The times I do order directly from a shelf it is when I find a book I want on a search and order it and then view the sellers bookshelf to see if there is anything else of theirs I'd like.  Easier ordering two from one person than two from two different people and if they already have one book I want they might have similar tastes as me.  And if that second book was 451 of something on the list then the seller has gotten lucky I ordered it and got them to the front of the line in doing so. 

Date Posted: 11/3/2007 6:42 PM ET
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Date Posted: 11/3/2007 7:02 PM ET
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TerrI,

Actually, those are great questions you are asking! I am copying and pasting from the Terms Of Usage link at the bottom of the page. This may answer your second post's question:

 

    1. Commercial Use Prohibited
    2. This Site and the associated service are to be used for non-commercial purposes only. Commercial use of the Site or associated service is absolutely prohibited and constitutes a breach of this contract, giving rise to substantial damages. Commercial use includes but is not limited to the following:
    3. Any systematic effort to resell ordered items online or in person
    • Any use of bots or other systems to repeatedly access the site in an automated fashion
    • Use of the search function on the site for any purpose not directly related to participation in the book exchange

     

    1. Commercial use will result in immediate cancellation of service and forfeiture of credits. You hereby agree that damages from the commercial use of this site are difficult to compute. Damages from breach of this commercial use provision shall therefore be set at $100 per unauthorized Site visit. You hereby agree that such damages are a reasonable estimate of actual damages and you waive your right to contest these damages in a court of law or other proceeding.
    Date Posted: 11/3/2007 7:21 PM ET
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    Date Posted: 11/3/2007 7:31 PM ET
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    Terri,

    While I can't say with 100% assurance, but perhaps the "trade" word you are referring to is the folks who BOB (box of books).  that is trading books without using credits.  I don't BOB, so I'm not the best one to explain it, but you can review it in the help section.  I've seen that word used quite frequently in connection with BOB. 



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    Date Posted: 11/3/2007 8:18 PM ET
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    Terri - rest assured that most of us are just like you.   Here to post some books, and order some.    I ignore all the stuff that simply doesn't apply to ME.  LOL  Makes it easier for me to understand the things that DO apply!

    Date Posted: 11/3/2007 10:26 PM ET
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    Julie (and Terri)...

    A 'bot' is a network security threat.  Please don't get overwhelmed with this term....odds are if you don't have a clue what it is, you aren't doing it anyway!  LOL  It is simply a term they are using in the Terms of Service for the site...which is full of jargon that only computer people fully understand.  Us lay people can get the 'gist' of it, but won't understand it all....  Well, okay, maybe I'm speaking for myself there!  LOL   Please don't freak out about that term.

    Basically, Terri, if you are using the site in a friendly-non-scamming way, you will be fine.  If you have ANY doubt that something you are wanting to do is 'illegal' in the site's rules, please don't hesitate to contact a Tour Guide (TG) (I am one and so is Cheryl from earlier in this thread) and/or check out the Help Center.  Any of us TG's would be more than happy to help you with any questions you have and would rather have a member ask a question up front rather than have to go back after the fact and tell her she was wrong. 

    I hope that makes sense! 

    ETA:  I forgot to answer this question:

    There was some discussion about people who were trading books, I guess to sell somewhere else.  And someone said that they caught this member selling books at some sort of fair???  What in the world are they talking about?

    There have been some people who will trade books on here and then take those really good, high WishListed books and sell them on Ebay or Amazon or someplace else....and make a profit in the process.  Cuz, let's face it, we're all getting GREAT deals trading books here rather than spending money on them at BN.com or somewhere else.  These people are in CLEAR violation of site rules and the Terms of Service Agreement and they need to be dealt with.  Just don't do this and you'll be good!  LOL 



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    Date Posted: 11/4/2007 1:59 AM ET
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    Date Posted: 11/4/2007 7:31 AM ET
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    Terri,

    I don't have the time or energy to shop people's lists and I have made out very well so far by using the wish list.  If I get a wish list book and I get a prompt asking me if I want to check out the other books on this member's shelf, I usually do that. 

    Once you get going, you'll realize how easy this site is to use - and how helpful and friendly the people are!

    Enjoy!

    Date Posted: 11/4/2007 12:57 PM ET
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    LOL, sorry just laughing in genral.

    If you do not know what a bot is you sure do not have one.

    Bots are programs that automatically do things for people, in this case I think it would be to respond to book requests by accepting/saying they have been sent/printing out the wrappers.

    Plus you can set up bots to search the site for books, say your looking for some rare book, someone posts it, they would get it first due to having some sneaky program that is constantly searching for that title and then requesting it.

    I too came to the site to get rid of my mountain of books, our intentions for coming here are what the site was made for.

    Dont worry too much, PBS just is trying to make it fair for everyone and stop the scam artists and those that are here to try and make money without even wanting to read the books they get.