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Subject: Is this a dumb RC or am I just cranky with the heat?
Date Posted: 7/21/2011 11:52 PM ET
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Today I got a wish list request  with RCs that restated the conditions for posting almost verbatim--no liquid damage, no highlighting, no ARCs, in good condition.   The requestor wanted to make sure the sender had read all the conditions for posting 'cause he'd had bad luck in the past with unpostable books.   It struck me as over the top.   I declined the RC stating the book was a postable book in very good condition (it's brand new, read only be me).       

Date Posted: 7/21/2011 11:57 PM ET
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This is what I think of as venting past trades in a RC.  Not the place for it.  We have this whole large forum for venting.  Doing this just angers and scares future swappers. 

I have also turned down such RCs.

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 1:31 AM ET
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Wait until you get burnt a few times in a row. I can understand such RCs.
Date Posted: 7/22/2011 1:57 AM ET
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Well, you asked ... so I think you were just cranky.

If someone restates the PBS guidelines in their RC, nothing is easier to accept. Don't even have to check the book first.

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 4:26 AM ET
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*Hugs* Sarah, sorry the heat is making you irritable.

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 6:52 AM ET
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For me, it would probably really depend on the tone of how it was restated.  If it was pretty much matter of fact, then yes, I'd probably post.  However, if it had a bit of a bitter or condescending tone, I'd probably decline and move along, 

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 7:59 AM ET
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I love those RCs!  They aren't ambiguous and they're easy to comply with.

I would have sent the book.

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 7:59 AM ET
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I'm with you Sarah.  RCs that just restate the posting guidelines annoy me.  I can read, thank you very much.  If I couldn't I wouldn't be on a book trading site.  All of my posted books met the guidelines when I posed them, and I do recheck them before I accept a request.  An RC like that feels like the requestor is asking me "Are you SURE this book is good enough to send to me?"   Excuse me???  Sorry you've gotten unpostable books before, it happens to all of us. 

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 8:08 AM ET
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If I can meet the requestor conditions then I send the book as it gets me a credit. I don't take the RC's personally. But if you weren't comfortable with the RC you can decline like you did.

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 8:08 AM ET
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WOW

-RD

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 8:17 AM ET
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I can read, thank you very much.  If I couldn't I wouldn't be on a book trading site.

You would think that people on a book site would be able to deal with the simple concept of posting rules, right? I used to have that same attitude until I started hanging around the forums and reading all the posts.  It amazes me how many people read but fail to comprehend the simplest of rules or concepts.  Add to that folks who join the site without bothering to read the rules at all, and well, you have a situation ripe for unpostables and irritated swappers receiving these books.  I understand the OPs annoyance with being quoted the rules, but at the same time, it certainly is an easy RC to accept because the OP has obviously taken the time to read and comprehend the rules.  Generally, I accept RCs if my book meets the additional standards and just ignore the ones that quote rules, assuming they've been burned.  OK, venting in an RC isn't the best idea, but everyone blows off steam in different ways, so don't take it personally; it's not like YOU sent them the bad book that they're venting about, right? 

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 8:43 AM ET
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Like someone else said, for me, those RCS depend on how they're worded.  If it's written in an insulting way that's assuming I'm bad sender then I decline.  But it's nicely worked, I'll accept.  I appreciate that those RCs are coming from someone who has had bed books coming to them.

On the other hand, in my personal experience, the bad books are so few compaired to the good ones that I don't think that type of RC is necessary.  I also think that some people don't realize that sometimes you will be the last one to pay a credit for a book and decide that it's at the end of it's PBS life.



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Date Posted: 7/22/2011 10:05 AM ET
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On the other hand, in my personal experience, the bad books are so few compaired to the good ones that I don't think that type of RC is necessary.  I also think that some people don't realize that sometimes you will be the last one to pay a credit for a book and decide that it's at the end of it's PBS life

I agree with that sentiment 100%, Mary! Most people don't seem to accept that at some point books wear out and sometimes you are the one who is the end of the line. It does not mean that you need to RWAP...it just means it is time to retire that book.

I posted a wishlist book earlier this week and I hit one of those pockets of RC after RC at the top of the line...and everyone of them were so militant, one out and out threatening (If you send me a book that doesn't meet my requirements I am going to....) and in some cases, downright insulting! Yes, I know they have the right to have them and I have the right to reject them, which I did. Makes you wonder if those folks ever get books they request!

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 10:11 AM ET
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My personal opinion is that people are just being cranky when they take RCs like that personally. I get enough bad books to know people can't/don't/won't read the site rules and know that RCs are not personal attacks on me, I accept and send the book.

Date Posted: 7/22/2011 12:49 PM ET
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I think turing down the RC is fine. I think telling them it was a new book but you weren't sending it anyway was being cranky. (since you did ask:)

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Date Posted: 7/22/2011 2:12 PM ET
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Hey, I wasn't that cranky--I didn't tell them it was a new book.   Thanks for the reality checks and the support.   Much cooler here today--inside and out.

Date Posted: 7/23/2011 12:34 AM ET
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I do not think it was cranky.

They clearly don't trust members to follow the basic rules, makes me not want to trust them to do the same and not incorrectly mark a RWAP.  -shrug-

Date Posted: 7/23/2011 12:49 AM ET
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I'm sorry.  I just have to say, tone and first impressions matter a lot on RCs.  I have one.  I try to accept RCs.  But if the RC puts me off, I'll turn it down.

Date Posted: 7/28/2011 3:22 AM ET
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Date Posted: 7/28/2011 8:35 AM ET
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I am in the camp that thinks those type of RCs are silly and unnecessary. Still not able to figure out why receiving bad, damaged books seems so common with so many who feel it necessary to just restate the posting guidelines, when I've had just a handful of problem trades out of the 1700+ books I've gotten. Although I don't take these RCs personally or get upset about them, I have taken to just declining them.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 7/31/2011 6:21 PM ET
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I've never received a book in bad enough condition to complain about it.  Some covers haven't been perfect. I've gotten one with a few water spots on the side, and one or two with  a stray highlight, but never anything egregious.  These are USED books, after all.  If I want a new one, I buy it.

I believe most people post in good faith and if they overlook some minor damage I can cut them some slack.

RCs that sound too subjective on the part of the receiver I will not fill.  Don't need the hassle.

 

 

 

 

Date Posted: 8/1/2011 12:13 PM ET
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I never mark books that are borderline as RWAP but if they're unpostable I'm not sure members are doing the sender or the club any favors by accepting these books without complaint. It allows the sender to continue to think it's ok to send unpostable books, which brings down the quality of books being circulated. I've seen that happen with some of the other swapping sites that don't have minimum posting guildelines. And if you pass that unpostable book onto another member you're setting yourself up for a RWAP transaction.

Date Posted: 8/1/2011 4:47 PM ET
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I'm also another one who feels the PBS posting conditions don't need to be restated in an RC.  
 
I haven't received a book in such poor condition that I felt the need to complain about it.  I haven't had water stained books, smelly books, books with pages torn off or cover coming off.  I live really far from the majority of people who've sent books to me.  The only way books can get to my state is by ship or air. 

I also turn down RCs which make the requestor seem nitpicky or rude.  There's always someone else willing to take the book off my hands. 



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