Discussion Forums - Love & Romance Love & Romance

Topic: e-reader question, romance blog posts, etc.

Club rule - Please, if you cannot be courteous and respectful, do not post in this forum.
Page:   Unlock Forum posting with Annual Membership.
Subject: e-reader question, romance blog posts, etc.
Date Posted: 11/29/2011 10:15 AM ET
Member Since: 9/24/2007
Posts: 453
Back To Top

If I beuy a simple e-reader like a basic Nook touch or Kindle, can I take advantage of all the postings I see on the romance blogs like "sale at all romance- 99ct" or 50 % off, etc.  I'm just using that site as an example.  I'm trying to figure out, can I buy e-books from places other than amazon with a kindle, or barnes and noble with a nook?  I'm really techno lame.  I sometimes try to read stuff and it talks about ripping books from one format to another using such and such but I am afraid I don't follow..  As a regular in this forum, obviously I mainly read romance.  And though I know I will do some buying from the main site, it sure would be nice to get some of these deals.

Also, how has it affected your PBS experience now that you're reading e-books?

 

Thanks for the help!

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 10:58 AM ET
Member Since: 2/24/2006
Posts: 5,498
Back To Top

I have a Nook so speaking from that perspective.....if an independent publisher like ARE or Wild Rose or even NetGalley offers a books in .epub format, I can simiply download it to my computer and then transfer it to my device.   (Nook also uses a few other formats but the epub is the most widely used)  Nook cannot read anything from a Kindle format unless it has been "ripped" as you say, using Calibre.  Some books have DRM which is a form of protection that doesn't allow you to do this format change.

It hasn't affected my PBS experience at all.  I read the same amount of dead tree books as I do ebooks.

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 12:13 PM ET
Member Since: 5/3/2006
Posts: 6,436
Back To Top

You'll be able to get far fewer books from other sites if you buy a Kindle, unless those books are DRM-free and you can convert them. You can buy books from pretty much anywhere *but* Amazon with a Nook (or a Kobo or Sony.) On the other hand, Amazon has a lot of free books which aren't always matched by other retailers, and are most often matched by B&N -- which is a good argument for the Nook, because B&N Nook books can only be read on the Nook. On the other hand, those books are often free at Smashwords DRM-free in any format. Confused yet? :-)

If you're interested in library books, at least one big publisher  (Penguin) has refused to allow their books for Kindle loaning, so that's another argument against the Kindle.

I'd say I use PBS somewhat less. There are so many cheap/free ebooks that the lure of cheap paperbacks has faded quite a bit.

 

Ronda (RONDA) - ,
Date Posted: 11/29/2011 3:41 PM ET
Member Since: 3/3/2009
Posts: 415
Back To Top

I have a kindle and you can get books from other sites.  kindle mostly uses the mobipocket format, but does use many others (but not epub) as does the nook, ie many formats but mostly epub for nook.  As kindle is a big player, most independent sites offer format for it (as well as other readers).  As noted if you buy a book on B&N site you can't user for Kindle and if you buy on Amazon you can't use for nook.  (the problem is DRM - Digital Rights Management, not the format tho.  I havent done it but they say it is easy to convert format with a free program called calibre if no DRM)

I like amazon and find the kindle and the amazon website to be super easy to use.  I get 99% of my books from them.  But it was not too difficult to get books from other sources the couple of times i did.  I never really liked the B&N website.

for free books I think most are offered on all sites and as for pricing since agency pricing, the big 6 publishers have the same price on all sites.  Before agency pricing, amazon usually had the lowest price.  Amazon has a link to report a lower price and will usually match it quickly.  I use books on the knob to find free and low priced books.  that is where I get my idea that they almost always match.  inkmesh aggregates prices from many sites.  It is a good place to check on the books you would be interested in and see if they are available and where.  Do watch out for the amazon price, tho, because last book i checked was listed as free on amazon, but that was only for the free once a month loan if you are a prime member.

For library lending, i found the kindle lending easier to use than pre-kindle lending, but I wish they would deliver it over 3g.  And I did read that penguin pulled all the kindle books from library lending but put them back after the outrage.  They are re-evaluating thier library e-book policy, which might lead to them not releasing any more e-books to the libraries.  It was really quite dumb of them to pull one format, as they are making people look to see if they published something and avoid them in the future because of this.  -- some other publishers don't have any books in e-book library lending and I havent seen a lot of complaint about them, but this pulling of one format really gets people riled up.

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 4:56 PM ET
Member Since: 9/24/2007
Posts: 453
Back To Top

Thanks for all the info friends.  I'm still a bit confused, but this gives me something to go on.  It sounds like unless you use the site for the device you bought (nook/B&N, Kindle/Amazon), then you can get books elsewhere but you have to download them to your computer in the proper format for your device, and then sideload the book.  Am I on the right track? 

I have access to an older Sony also.  Haven't really looked at it yet.  Can it do all of these same things?  I've got Christmas money burning a hole in my pocket but I don't want to spend it if I don't have to.  Also, I'm not really confused by the Nook Color/Kindle Fire addition to the marketplace.  While I don't see myself doing a lot of magazines, maybe I'm wrong.  I mean, I bet I would like getting my knitting magazines that way.  But we've got an ipad2 in the house so do I really need something that fancy?  I am interested in library lending.  I'm going to check out inkmesh, etc. too.  Thanks for the tips.

Sara

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 5:04 PM ET
Member Since: 8/31/2005
Posts: 3,730
Back To Top

I have a kindle and I have never had a problem with books I've bought from other sites.

I still also read a lot of print books, so pbs hasn't changed much for me. That might be more because it's rare that I will buy a book at full price. I have too many in my TBR and I am too picky  lol

and yes if you buy books somewhere else you need to transfer them from your computer to the device



Last Edited on: 11/29/11 5:05 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/29/2011 7:27 PM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
Posts: 15,397
Back To Top
I highly recommend Calibre program for eBooks on your computer. It works great for the books from places other than B&N or Amazon. I also use the Adobe digital library program as I need it to manage my library eBooks, with DRM. It really sucks. Makes the Calibre look like pure gold.
Date Posted: 11/29/2011 7:57 PM ET
Member Since: 10/30/2006
Posts: 8,426
Back To Top

Let's back up a step. What do YOU want it to be able to do? Do you want to use it for things other than reading books or do you have other devices to check your email, watch movies, etc? That will determine whether you get and e-ink reader or a backlit Fire/Color.

Past that, it's really like Puffs and Kleenex. The Kindle Touch and the Nook Touch are virtually identical- size, weight, capacity, price ($99). Some will argue that the Nook doesn't give you as much storage capacity as the Kindle. True, but not an issue if you have less than 1000 books on your machine. You can library lend on both although Penguin appears to be in a fight with Amazon and pulled their books from Overdrive for Kindle. Two of the six major publishers chose not to particpate in library lending at all.

I started with the Nook because I was primarily using it for the library. Now I'm sticking with it and upgrading to the Touch at Christmas. I have purchased content at B&N and it downloads directly. I have purchased content at Ellora's Cave and Fictionwise and it loads as an ePub file on my desktop and then I load it in to ADE and sync to my Nook just like I do a library book. There are thousands of free ebooks out ther and also thousands of pieces of dreck, so it's ok to be selective with what you download. Usually Kindle seems to get it first and then the freebies show up at B&N within a day or so.

Enjoy whichever you choose. You can't make a bad decision.

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 9:57 PM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
Posts: 15,397
Back To Top

As Nancy said, let's back up a step.  A backlit eReader is great if you are going to be reading in a place with poor lighting, like on a commute train.  The eInk screens are prefered if you will be reading in bright light, such as outside at lunch. 

Weight can be an issue.  I'll pick up my Nook rather than my iPad if I'm going to be holding the book rather than having it set down. 

Email? 

Do you need to log on to wifi networks?  This is a pain with the low cost non-keyboard Kindle.

Library books?  Kindle is much easier to check out books.  But publisher's are pissed that Amazon has it going through their website.

Size?  Do you want it to fit in a purse?  A pocket?  How light vs how sturdy. 

Do you want kids to use it?  Games for them while in the car?  Kid's books?  That might lean towards color.

I LOVE having an eReader when traveling.  But I like paper books while I'm at home.

Nook AND nook books are only available in the US.  If you travel outside of the US, this becomes an issue.

I have a Nook that I almost never buy books from B&N.  (Much prefer ARe.)  I also have an iPad that I use the Kindle ap on.  B&N has seriously low quality customer service.  Amazon has seriously high quality customer service.

 

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 10:15 PM ET
Member Since: 10/30/2006
Posts: 8,426
Back To Top

Let me clarify one thing Emily said though. You can only purchase content for the Nook inside the US. Your Nook will work if you turn it on to read while overseas and charges just fine with the appropriate country adapter plug. I took mine to Spain in Feb with no issues.

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 10:31 PM ET
Member Since: 5/3/2006
Posts: 6,436
Back To Top

Nancy,  a word of warning about the Nook Touch -- it won't read secure ereader books from Fictionwise. (.pdb format.) It's an awesome ereader other than that.

Date Posted: 11/29/2011 11:41 PM ET
Member Since: 7/19/2008
Posts: 15,397
Back To Top
Yes. Nancy is correct. It works fine outside the US. You just cannot add books while on a foreign URL. Stock up on books before leaving the country. Or plan to use Amazon or Kobo.
Ronda (RONDA) - ,
Date Posted: 11/30/2011 8:58 AM ET
Member Since: 3/3/2009
Posts: 415
Back To Top

if you have an ipad, both B&N and Amazon have an e-reader app for ipad, so you can get books from both on your ipad directly.  I don't see the point of a color e-reader if you already have an ipad, unless you have a prime membership at amazon and want the free movies and book loans that come with the prime membership.

And if your sony is e-ink you can load books to it, just not directly from B&N or Amazon.  I probably wouldn't replace it. 

I find the ease of loading books from the amazon site with 3g is great and so I usually don't bother with others, but the few times I have it has not been too terrible.  Getting ADE set-up for library books before they offered Kindle format was a pain, but once I got it working, it was just a little more cumbersome.

I don't have an ipad, but have borrowed from my sis, I think that I don't like it for reading books because it is too heavy.  That is one of my favorite features of an ereader, that is is light & easy to hold.  I am interested in the smallest $79 kindle because of this, but not while my kindle 3 (or keyboard) is still working.  But if you are interested in magazines or comic books, I would think the ipad would be better.  The eink is good for text only, not for any really complicated formating.

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 9:10 AM ET
Member Since: 6/18/2007
Posts: 72
Back To Top

I got a Kindle for my birthday and I love it. I did a lot of research on what kind of e-reader I wanted, started with the Kindle, looked at the Nook and then some tablets. I literally spent weeks looking at all my options. The I did what everyone is recommending and thought about what I wanted it for. I basically wanted to have easy access to books and read, that was it. I liked the e-ink feature and that made my decision. I go back and forth between my kindle and paperbacks, but I definitely am glad I made the decision to get the Kindle. Now with the library offering Kindle books, I am even happier with the decision. 

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 9:37 AM ET
Member Since: 9/24/2007
Posts: 453
Back To Top

Ok, lots to think about.  I think I need to write out all my options and priorities and do some comparing.  It may be that I can accomplish some of what I want on the ipad (actually DH's but I can use it :) And perhaps the rest on the Sony that's around or a less expensive nook or kindle.  And do they all show your whole library for the world to see?  Not sure i want everyone to be able to see everything I'm downloading (erm, you know what I mean) if the are picking up my e-book and checking it out!

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 10:14 AM ET
Member Since: 10/30/2006
Posts: 8,426
Back To Top

Once you get your stuff on the ereader, they generally list with newest downloads first unless you organize them into shelves. For that very reason, the first two pages I have on my Nook are "Classics"- yup, all those free books. You'd have to stumble through to page three to get to the regular fiction and go farther for the smut.

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 10:33 AM ET
Member Since: 6/18/2007
Posts: 72
Back To Top

The Kindle is password protected, so no one sees what is on there if you don't want them to. I definitely use it - makes your personal reading choices private AND makes sure no one else in the family can "borrow" it.

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 11:12 AM ET
Member Since: 2/24/2006
Posts: 5,498
Back To Top

B&N has seriously low quality customer service.  Amazon has seriously high quality customer service.

I think this is a disservice to say this.  I've never had a problem with BN but I HAVE had issues with Amazon.  To each his own.

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 11:25 AM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
Posts: 26,510
Back To Top

I'm new to the ereader thing and still prefer print: but in my cheap ebook surfing, I've found few that can't be loaded onto pretty much any device. I even got most of my ebooks from my laptop onto my kindle and a few from my ancient desktop on there as well.  Even though Kindle books are only recently available at libraries: only around 300 of my libraries ebooks aren't Kindle compatible. 

The Brooklyn and Phildadelphia libraries both have excellent romance book selections and sell out of state cards for $50 (Brooklyn) and $35(Philly) a year.  I am getting the Brooklyn one even though it's more money-they have more books.  The wait lines didn't seem to be that long for most books either.  Only the most recent mega-releases has longer lines but then they seem to have more copies of those as well.

You can also use the cards to download audiobooks which I use a lot. 

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 12:04 PM ET
Member Since: 7/31/2006
Posts: 14,634
Back To Top

I need to check out the brooklyn and philly libraries - the best of the 3 libraries I have is harris county's overdrive - not sure if you can get an out of state card by mail though - think they require you to show up in person.

heck let's just get one of each ereader - then we're covered!

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 3:04 PM ET
Member Since: 5/3/2006
Posts: 6,436
Back To Top

We pretty much have that here, Susanna -- except we have two Nooks. blush I had planned to pass my old one on, but I find it's actually useful to have two!

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 3:36 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
Posts: 26,510
Back To Top

I might get a Nook or some other one down the road for my daughter. Than we can swap as needed.

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 3:43 PM ET
Member Since: 4/7/2008
Posts: 15,690
Back To Top

Since I got my iPad, I'm rarely reading print books and if I find them on Amazon for $1.99 or less, I just buy the ebook and and post the book to PBS. I'm already carrying the iPad which is heavy so reading a print book is just adding more weight to my purse. In a year I'll probably own less than 20 books in print if I continue how I'm going.

Among the 3 NYC libraries, Brooklyn has the biggest selection of ebooks/audibooks (their selection is amazing for both YA and romance.) I'd say that around 70% of the books I've been looking for lately are available there. And there's seldom a waiting list for books or if they are, it's only 1 or 2 people. How do they manage that? By only allowing people to take out 12 books at a time and only letting them to hold 4 books at a time. Now, you may think that this is not enough but that means that people put on hold only the books they really want.

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 10:17 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
Posts: 26,510
Back To Top

I'm too cheap to pay for ebook versions of books I already own.  Unless maybe there was a bundle with for a good price.  I was tempted to by a Marsha Canham bundle yesterday.  I was like $8 for 3 ebooks. I have all 3 in print and they aren't ones my library has.  It just seems stupid to pay $8 for them when I already own them. 

So right now I am just purging books my library has multiples of in print.  It's tempting to also purge ones where either Brooklyn or my local library has in ebook. But there's more risk of the ebook not being there when I want to read it.  Libraries have to keep renewing their ebooks after a certain number or loans.  To add new releases in within their budget, they probably have to drop older books.  There's also the risk of a publisher deciding not to allow library lending of their books. 

So I'm holding off on purging those for now.  At least until I see what's left after I purge the library print books. 

 

Date Posted: 11/30/2011 10:19 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
Posts: 26,510
Back To Top

I keep wondering if I should keep earning credits here or not.  I don't think PBS is going anywhere but as more and more people turn to ereaders-makes me nervous.  But I'm too cheap to pay equal or more for an ebook than what it costs in print.  Plus a lot of them on my WL aren't in ebook format. 

So I guess I'll keep posting books here.

Page: