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Subject: Ereader question
Date Posted: 11/3/2012 9:41 AM ET
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I am planning on getting an ereader soon, (probably a used Kindle Ink), and I had a question about them I hope you all can answer concerning downloading books.   I have the apps for both Kindle and Nook in my laptop.  My questions are about transferring the books to the device from the laptop (I don't plan to get one with Wifi). 

Can I download the books to my laptop then transfer them to a device that I bought used

Is there a limit on the number of times a book can be copied to a device?  

Are the ereaders registered to the buyer in any way?  My concern with a used reader is that it won't allow me to copy books onto it since I was not the original owner and will lock me out due to protocols for not sharing books. 

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 10:02 AM ET
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Can I download the books to my laptop then transfer them to a device that I bought used?
Yes.  If it is a Nook or a Kindle you will need to unregister the previous user's info and register with your own info.  Calibre would probably be your best option for transferring books if they are from multiple sources.

Is there a limit on the number of times a book can be copied to a device?
That is completely dependent on where you bought the book from.

Are the ereaders registered to the buyer in any way?
Again, it depends on the company.

 

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 10:29 AM ET
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I purchased a refurbished Nook Color via B&N on Ebay.  It came already de-registered to the previous owner so I could register it.  Had no problem at all.

If, by some chance, your used device is still registered to the previous owner, it's pretty simple to de-register it so you can register it in your name.  That's not something I'd worry about at all with a used ereader.

If you purchase a used Kindle, you should have no problem using the USB cord to transfer ebooks from your Kindle app to the ereader.  You would have problems with your B&N ebooks though.  Kindle doesn't like the EPUB format.  Plus, most B&N ebooks are DRMed.  So, you'd have to install Calibre and the plugins for Calibre to strip the DRM from the B&N ebooks.  Then, Calibre can convert the EPUB B&N ebooks to Kindle format for you so you could put them on your Kindle.

Conversely, if you decide NOT to get a Kindle, Calibre with the plugins can be used to strip the DRM from your Kindle ebooks so you can convert them to a format that another ereader would prefer.

I have a Sony ereader and a Nook Color.  I also have the Kindle app installed on my laptop for the occasional free Kindle ebook I can't find elsewhere.  I put all my ebooks into Calibre to strip the DRM and convert those Kindle ebooks.

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 11:24 AM ET
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+1 Sarah.

I have a Nook. I buy books all the time on Amazon or trade them legally under their lendable rules. I load them into Calibre, strip the DRM, and read them on my Nook all the time.

Is there a specific reason you don't want the wifi? I can't imagine there is too much of a price difference on the used market among the early models. Those with wifi also have improved page turning speed, less ghosting, and other improvements that came along with the addition of wifi. Frankly, I never use the wifi on my Nook. It stays turned off unless I'm downloading a book purchased from B&N. It's really irrelevant to the function of the ereader, but I wouldn't rule it out for any reason. I would also decide whether you want a touch screen or are firmly insistent on the ones with buttons. My Nook SImple Touch has both a touch screen and a textured page button (so you can read in the bathtub with the ereader in a Ziploc and turn the page). The touch screens are much lighter than the ones with the buttons which might be a factor if you're older and the hands are starting to hurt.

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 11:54 AM ET
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What I don't think has been explained completely is this. The Kindle books you have on your laptop, can NOT be transferred via USB directly from the app or from your files. You must go to your Manage Your Kindle page on your laptop, and choose to send the book to your newly registered Kindle device. You must register your new device first. You can choose "send via USB" or you can send it wirelessly if you turn on the wifi. Alternatively, once the Kindle is registered, you can go to your archive on the device and download them directly from there, over your wifi connection.

As stated, you can not put any epub books on a Kindle (e-ink). (You can put epubs that are not locked with DRM onto a Kindle Fire. I use the Aldiko app.)

Unless you are hoping to buy a Kindle 1 or 2, your Kindle will have wifi. You don't have to use it if you don't want to, once you register it you can keep it off forever. The wifi comes in handy for syncing between devices, for example your e-ink Kindle and your laptop, even a phone if you have the Kindle app on it, so you can read on whatever device you want and not lose your place.

You say you are looking for a used Kindle. I don't know what prices are running right now, but did you know you can get a brand new Kindle for $69? Unless you can get a different Kindle for significantly less, you should just get that one, from Amazon.com or Best Buy or Staples. People rave about how good the screen is on that. one. Thin, and light, the same size as my Sony T1 so I know it's great. I'd like to have a tablet that thin and light!

 

 

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 1:26 PM ET
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Download the ebooks into your Computer  Download Calibre  Transfer the ebooks to Calibre use That With Plugin from Apprentance Alf to remove DRMs And convert them ALL the MOBI.   Connect usb computer to Kindle & Sideload the ebooks!   The hardest for me was learning how to remove the DRM.   LOL  

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 1:46 PM ET
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The problem will be with the "other" format, which ever eReader you get.   And DRM.  Here is a link to the site Barbara references.

Calibre plugins: the simplest option for removing most ebook DRM

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 3:47 PM ET
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Thank you all for the great information.  I will have to look at the Calibre, never heard of it.  I have a lot to learn about all the apps!

The reason I am looking for an older style Kindle is my husband wants to use it traveling and he hates touch screens.   The Ink one seems to have the buttons without all the extras, and I found a used one available for $40.  Seemed like a good way to try it out without a big investment.   I have the laptop version and a bunch of free books on it that I would like to transfer to the device so he can have them while traveling.

I borrowed a Nook from the library, but can only keep it one week.  I like the way the pages show and that the sun glare doesn't seem to affect readability.  I haven't downloaded any Nook books yet.  I figure I need to choose a device and go from there.  I had no idea that you could use an app to transfer one format to another. 

Thank you all so much for helping me figure this out.

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 3:57 PM ET
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$40 would be a great price. Your husband will probably love it. Yes that one has buttons and no touch screen. It has wifi but no 3G connection to Amazon.

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 5:36 PM ET
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I think of Calibre as a big indexing program.  My Nook breaks things down into B&N books and other.  Very confusing to go looking for books.   Calibre lets me know which books I have, with multiple sort options, such as by author and by format.

Dear Author mentions that we can even use it to index our print books.

The other great thing about Calibre is that we can customize it.  I have added a column that shows where I got the eBook from.  And another to check off after I have read a book. 

 

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 9:29 PM ET
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I have a custom colum called Device, where I mark if it's on a device and which one. I have so many I have to use codes. KA, KG, KF, KL for all my Kindles. Sony for both my Sony's since I have specific genres on them I know if it says Sony, which one it's on.

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 11:41 PM ET
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Calibre is not an Android app.    Its a PC/MAC free software.  IF you dont have Nook/ Barnes & Noble ebooks then I wouldnt worry about it.  I thought you had purchased both types of ebooks LOL  Go with the Kindle & Amazon.  You dont need WiFi at home just stop by any McDonalds or Free WiFi place in your area or the Area you happen to be in.  Download your ebboks from you account direct to the Kindle.  BTW Dont need Calibre either LOL   Dont need a computer hehehehe     With Amazon you dont need a cr card...just buy Gift cards at local stores like CVS or Walgreens...heck most stores that have gift cards.   Add the gift card to your account the buy ebooks!  Keep in mind that the price of the ebooks drop as time goes by!  Their are many site that have FREE Kindle ebooks!   When a Book comes out in HardBack the eBook is the same price as the HD copy...  When the same book comes out in Paperback [about 12-18 months later]  The eBook price drops to PB price.  Give it another yr then some times that price drops as well.  So try not to get sticker price shock LOL   IF your one to read a book once you can get ebooks thru the libraries Free local & join others for a yearly fee.    And there are lots of FREE eBook sites on the internet also.    I wont list them ... Lots of threads here with links LOL 

Which Kindle are/have you got?  I have the Kindle 3 WiFi has Keyboard LOVE IT!  

Date Posted: 11/3/2012 11:49 PM ET
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http://www.paperbackswap.com/Update-614-Places-Free-EBooks/topic/266971/ 

Heres in one PBS thread that links Free ebook sites! 

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 12:00 AM ET
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http://www.paperbackswap.com/Free-Library-Philadelphia-E-Book/topic/223796/ 

Link to the Libraries you can join!  I had a hard time finding it & I knew it was here some where LOL  

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 8:21 AM ET
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Sounds like you are buying a Kindle Keyboard. They also have touch ones that are eInk (the Touch and the new Paperwhite). Amazon still sells the Kindle Keyboard. If you are buying one that does NOT have wifi then it is is a Generation 1 or Generation 2. All after that have wifi, some also have 3G (cell tower).

Stripping the DRM is illegal. Sure, you CAN do it but do you want to do it?

You can't read your Nook books on the Kindle eInk versions. As others have said, register the Kindle to the same Amazon account where you have your Kindle books and you can just download them from the archives.

 

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 9:25 AM ET
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Stripping the DRM is illegal. Sure, you CAN do it but do you want to do it? 

Here's where I will disagree with you.

Amazon puts a restriction on books purchased on Amazon (DRM) that says "you can only read this on a Kindle"

Barnes and Noble puts the same restriction on their books that says "You can only read this on a Nook"

Other ebook vendors such as Kobo or All Romance or Ellora's Cave will sell you the book in whatever format you wish to buy it and you pick one format to download.

As the book purchaser, I legally acquire my copy by purchase or legally allowable trade. I then use the software to remove the restricted and load onto my ereader. I have no issues with that at all. I bought it, I'm reading it, I took their stupid computer code off of it so I could read it on the ereader I already own. Now, if I were to take that stripped copmputer file and email it to someone or upload it to a torrent site for others to download, then yes- that's illegal. But I could upload the file from Kobo or All Romance just as easily that I acquire DRM-less to begin with. The DRM is put on by Amazon and B&N, not the author or the publisher and is done only so that you are tied into using their ereader and their book sales. It's the sharing that's illegal, not the stripping of the DRM. That's like saying that you have to use a Ford factory part on your Ford car and it's illegal to go to Auto Zone and buy a part that will fit your Ford car. Sounds pretty ridiculous when the same logic is used in the context of another item doesn't it?

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 11:23 AM ET
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The DRM is put on by Amazon and B&N, not the author or the publisher and is done only so that you are tied into using their ereader and their book sales.

Actually, its' just the opposite. All publishers and authors are given the choice to DRM or not by Amazon. It's not a condition for publication and left 100% up to the publisher/author.

Here

They're just hard to search for.  Some will say they don't have any DRM on them, and others are found by looking at the details and finding...

Simultaneous Device Usage: Unlimited

Or look under some of hte customer lists for DRM free books. Here.

I don't know about the other on-line retailers.

 

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 11:30 AM ET
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As the book purchaser, I legally acquire my copy by purchase or legally allowable trade. I then use the software to remove the restricted and load onto my ereader. I have no issues with that at all. I bought it, I'm reading it, I took their stupid computer code off of it so I could read it on the ereader I already own. Now, if I were to take that stripped copmputer file and email it to someone or upload it to a torrent site for others to download, then yes- that's illegal. But I could upload the file from Kobo or All Romance just as easily that I acquire DRM-less to begin with. The DRM is put on by Amazon and B&N, not the author or the publisher and is done only so that you are tied into using their ereader and their book sales. It's the sharing that's illegal, not the stripping of the DRM. That's like saying that you have to use a Ford factory part on your Ford car and it's illegal to go to Auto Zone and buy a part that will fit your Ford car. Sounds pretty ridiculous when the same logic is used in the context of another item doesn't it?

I totally agree with you. And those are not the only reasons for stripping the codes.  Personally I like to reformat all my books to look a certain way. I buy, download, import into Calibre, and then reconvert.  If the DRM was not removed, I could not convert it. I prefer my books to have a bit more of an indentation for paragraphs, and also add a space between paragraphs. Depending on the book, I may have to change the font size key or fiddle with the CSS codes, or some other detail, to make it look the way I want it to look. I can't do that with books I get through the kindle owner's prime lending library, and that is annoying. But I do it to just about every other book I want to read.

 

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 1:52 PM ET
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Well, now you know how dumb I am when it comes to this stuff, I was calling Calibre an app because I thought that was short for 'application' not specific to an Android (which I also don't have and know nothing about).  I don't have a smart phone either, my cell makes calls and that's it (it doesn't text or take pictures or anything else).

I have a few free books on my Kindle for the Laptop program, but I haven't yet spent a dime on ebooks at all.  I like to do my research first.   I did look at a website that has classic books for ereaders for free.  I have been doing business with Amazon for a long time so it seemed the way to go given the number of freebies available and I like that I can see the Top 100 Free by category.

Thanks again for all the great advice.  Will be looking into many of your suggestions.

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 2:14 PM ET
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Even if you feel you are right in stripping the DRM doesn't change the law. The DMCA states it is illegal to remove the DRM regardless of intent. Will you get caught and arrested? Probably not but I think people should still be aware it IS illegal before they make the decision of removing the DRM.

 

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 4:20 PM ET
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I bought the ebook, I want to be able to read the ebook on whatever device I wish to.  I don't strip the DRM in order to redistribute the ebook to anyone else, I do it so I can read the copy I own on any device I want to.

If you're interested in library lending, check out your local library.  Mine very recently got into it and they do use an app.  It cost nothing for a library card or the 3M Cloud app that they use.  They even have a decent selection of ebooks.  The library lending is the one thing that enticed me to keep my Nook Color.  Before I tried that, I was seriously considering selling it because I was hardly using it.  I much prefer my eink Sony reader to reading on the Nook Color but for free library books, I'll do it.

Date Posted: 11/4/2012 6:18 PM ET
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I'm sorry. I will agree to not move or copy eBooks. But when someone tries to tell me that I cannot remove my own credit card data from my own book?

Yes, there are ways to protect yourself using prepaid gift cards. But is it any surprise that I prefer to read non B&N books on my Nook? With their history of security and customer service? And the bonus of being DRM free!

Do not have your eReader account linked to your ATM card. At least credit cards have fraud detection departments.

Date Posted: 11/5/2012 10:25 AM ET
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I've no problem stripping DRM to use the books on the devices I choose to use.  I don't send (and would never send) stripped books to the myriad of sites out there that provide DRM free copies for download.  But if its mine, I get to do with it what I want on my devices.

-RD

Date Posted: 11/5/2012 2:52 PM ET
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Ah. But eBooks are often a lease, not an "end use" purchase. That is the legal grey area that lets the seller do funny things, like take back our book. (Hey Amazon, we have not forgotten that!)
Date Posted: 11/6/2012 8:59 AM ET
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I don't consider a purchase to be a lease. If I want to borrow or rent, I will get my ebook from the library.

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