Discussion Forums - Questions about PaperBackSwap Questions about PaperBackSwap

Topic: Is it ethical and 'legal' to ask for 2 orders with my unpostable?

Club rule - Please, if you cannot be courteous and respectful, do not post in this forum.
  Unlock Forum posting with Annual Membership.
Subject: Is it ethical and 'legal' to ask for 2 orders with my unpostable?
Date Posted: 12/8/2009 3:15 PM ET
Member Since: 5/17/2007
Posts: 3,129
Back To Top

I have a highly wishlisted unpostable hardcover which is heavy.  Is it allowable to ask for 2 books to be ordered so I can include this book for free?  Asking because mailing this book will cost more.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 3:23 PM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
Posts: 15,194
Back To Top

You can ask for whatever number of requests you want to ask for in order to get a freebie. That doesn't mean you will get any takers (I don't usually see many takers on the multi-request freebie offers), but you can ask as long as you are not asking for more than PBS rate on books and not asking for credits for non-book items.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 3:32 PM ET
Member Since: 6/29/2009
Posts: 248
Back To Top

I think I asked the same question yesterday and was told it is not allowed.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 3:42 PM ET
Member Since: 8/18/2005
Posts: 7,977
Back To Top

I think I asked the same question yesterday and was told it is not allowed.

The difference, IIRC, is that Cindy's WL book is unpostable. Which means she can't post it into the system in the regular way, but has to offer it in the Bazaar.

IIRC, you were asking about making someone order two books from you in order to get a postable book that was on their WL.

To me, two different scenerios.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 5:02 PM ET
Member Since: 6/29/2009
Posts: 248
Back To Top

So if my WL book was unpostable I could require it to be ordered in condition with another book? hmmm

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 5:06 PM ET
Member Since: 1/30/2009
Posts: 5,696
Back To Top

So if my WL book was unpostable I could require it to be ordered in condition with another book? hmmm

If you are willing to send it for free as the OP is.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 5:28 PM ET
Member Since: 1/8/2007
Posts: 8,139
Back To Top

I don't think that you can request a person order two books in order to get a freebie. Free with an order is OK, but I don't think you can require that a person order two books in order to get the freebie.

You CAN request a credit for your damaged book in the Book Bazaar, if you provide a good description of the damage. If someone is really interested in just reading the book and doesn't care about postability, that would be an option.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 5:38 PM ET
Member Since: 5/17/2007
Posts: 3,129
Back To Top

I mulled it over and decided to post a thread in BB offering the unpostable free with an order of just one book from my shelf.  Thanks to all who offered answers on this thread.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 5:42 PM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
Posts: 15,194
Back To Top

You can set whatever requirements you want to on sending a freebie, after all you are sending it FREE. There is nothing saying that you have to send one free item per request.  You can say with every 10th request from your shelf you will send something free. As long as you are not asking for more than 1 credit per printed book or offering to post WLed books as your incentive for the requests there is no rule being broken, after all - you are sending them something FREE.

Yes Jessica, the difference was that you were wanting to offer to post a WL book to them for a credit in addition to another request, which violates the offering postable WL books in the Bazaar. There is one person that often offers postable WL books as freebies with multi-book requests; I rarely ever see anyone taking her up on the offer.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 5:46 PM ET
Member Since: 1/30/2009
Posts: 5,696
Back To Top

I don't think that you can request a person order two books in order to get a freebie. Free with an order is OK, but I don't think you can require that a person order two books in order to get the freebie.

I think most of what we're talking about are judgment calls.  There's nothing in the rules that say you can't, I think it's just that most people aren't willing to comply, so the market won't bear it.  There are lots of posts in the genre forums in the "Is this on your WL" threads where people state "multiples only" or, if it's a series, say that they would like to send them all to one person to save on postage.  I don't see how that differs.  It's always struck me a little ethically off that WL books are completely verboten in the BB, but are offered up daily in the genre forums - though I have certainly taken advantage of this myself.  At this point I think a lot of these fine points have come down to custom rather than rules.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 5:47 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
Posts: 26,510
Back To Top

The difference is that to get moved ahead of line the person would probably order a book they don't want-basically to get the WL books. So in a sense paying 2 credits for the WL book.  

If it's heavily WL you probably could have gotten a credit for it even with the damage. 

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 6:07 PM ET
Member Since: 12/9/2007
Posts: 9,601
Back To Top

I've been very lucky with someunpostabels that are highly WL'd.  I just put them in my signature line, my profile, and in the blue header on my bookshelf.  But they have to be heavily WL'd to get a credit for them.

Ruth

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 6:32 PM ET
Member Since: 6/13/2009
Posts: 433
Back To Top

Same as Ruth F.

I've advertsied unpostable and ARC WL books in BB and have gotten many takers.  if it's a heavily WL book and readable then many members are fine accepting it.   In most cases I am happy to get an unpostable/ARC WL.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 7:03 PM ET
Member Since: 5/17/2007
Posts: 3,129
Back To Top

It's a moot point for me now as the book has been taken along with a regular book from my shelf, but in the future I will probably advertise a wishlisted unpostable as advised.  Thanks!