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Subject: Do Evangelicals believe in original sin?
Date Posted: 4/13/2008 1:22 PM ET
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Just wondering....

Date Posted: 4/13/2008 4:46 PM ET
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I'm not sure that I understand your question...when you say Evangelicals are you referring to Christians or a certain group of Christians...and as to "original sin" I don't know what you are meaning?

Date Posted: 4/13/2008 5:51 PM ET
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I suspect she's asking if there's still virgin territory to explore or if they've all been done already.

 

...sorry.  I couldn't resist.

Date Posted: 4/13/2008 7:35 PM ET
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No.. sorry for the confusion.  I mean, I was raised Catholic until I was 8, and my grandparents were very Catholic, so they believed in original sin, that because of Adam & Eve, me & my sibilings & cousins & everyone else is born, as an infant, already a sinner because of that original sin.  I know some Protestant churches that don't adhere to that belief, and I was just wondering if Evangelical churches believe in it or not.

Date Posted: 4/13/2008 9:48 PM ET
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I'm a Seventh-Day Adventist (if Evangelical = Christian then I'm one)...and yes, I believe that as an infant I was born into a sinful world and was destined to sin...I was born with sinful tendencies.

ETA:  After reading and hearing more on this "Original Sin" issue I don't believe it is something that I believe in.  I do not have to confess for the sins of Adam and Eve...when I come to Christ I have to confess "my" sins and no one elses.



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Date Posted: 4/13/2008 10:21 PM ET
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Yes...at least, I do.  And yes, Original Sin is the sin of Adam and Eve, and as a result of thier sin of disobedience against God in the Garden of Eden, that Original Sin is now carried to mankind. 

**That's how I believe, anyway.**

Date Posted: 4/14/2008 12:21 AM ET
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Through their disobedience they became aware of right and wrong i.e. sin.  They were no longer innocents.  With that knowledge they and all humans became bound to sin.  We became accountable to God.  Picture a dumb animal.  It doesn't  know right from wrong.  It just lives.  Well Adam and Eve were like that.  Then when they ate of the  fruit of the tree of knowledge they became responsible for their acts in accordance to that knowledge.

Date Posted: 4/14/2008 8:12 AM ET
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Yes.

Date Posted: 4/14/2008 8:15 AM ET
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Good to know.  Thanks all.

Date Posted: 4/17/2008 1:22 PM ET
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But there is a major difference in the Catholic reasoning and *my* reasoning. I don't believe that a baby that dies is going to hell if it is not baptised. Catholics do.

Date Posted: 4/17/2008 1:25 PM ET
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But there is a major difference in the Catholic reasoning and *my* reasoning. I don't believe that a baby that dies is going to hell if it is not baptised. Catholics do.

As I understand it (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the Catholic position wasn't that an unbaptised baby will go to hell, but that the baby would go to limbo, with the hope of eventually going to heaven.  I remember seeing recently an article that they had changed that opinion as well, so they now think the baby will go to heaven. 

ETA - Found one.

"We cannot say we know with certainty what will happen" to unbaptized babies, Father McPartlan said, "but we have good grounds to hope that God in his mercy and love looks after these children and brings them to salvation."

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=21542



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Date Posted: 4/17/2008 3:54 PM ET
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There are probably as many different answers to this question as there are Christian denominations.  It's a sticky one.  Not that there isn't a right answer.  Just we can't agree on what that answer is. LOL!!    The position that I am familiar with and hold to is that baptism does not save so whether a baby is baptized or not has no bearing on it's eternal salvation or damnation. 

I think the evangelical church at large believes that all children who have not reached the "age of accountability" (which is a mysterious, not set-in-stone age) before they die will go to heaven (Protestants don't believe in limbo...at least none I'm aware of)  Others believe that only children of believing parents will go to heaven if they die in childhood.  I'm aware of Scripture backing up the latter position but not the former.  Doesn't mean it's not out there, I've just not heard it argued.  It's one of those issues I'm not coming down on one way or the other at the moment.  Not enough info...  I'm not knowledgeable on the Catholic position new or old.

eta: this is in answer to the above posts and not the OP.



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Date Posted: 4/17/2008 8:34 PM ET
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I was raised Catholic and we were taught that unbaptised babies go to limbo...we were taught something about pugatory too, but that was more of a mild punishment for people who didn't need hell, limbo as described to us was a place/no place...a nothingness...I always imagined it would be like floating around in a pale shade of grey...

 

What crazy things to have in your head when you are a kid!

Date Posted: 4/20/2008 10:49 PM ET
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to me: Hell = separation from God. I don't believe in a purgatory the way Catholics do. I also don't believe that a baby, who hasn't had the opportunity to know God (be 'born again') can be damned / separated from God for eternity.

I agree --- there must be a  hundred different answers to this question, depending on where you're coming from.

Date Posted: 4/25/2008 5:19 PM ET
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Michelle - I wanted to thank you for bringing up the Catholic opinions about newborns.  It sent me a week-long exploration of the subject of what the Catholic church believes happens to those babies (and others) who die without baptism.  I learned a great deal and found the topic very interesting.  The early church fathers were a hard bunch, I have to say. 



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Date Posted: 5/1/2008 10:22 AM ET
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I too believe that babies that die go to heaven, unless at an accountable age, and there is no set age I believe it depends on the child and his/her comprehension of the death/burial/resurrection of Jesus and His work on the cross for us.  Although I find that young children have an amazing faith, if we all had that kind of faith, WOW!!

Never understood the whole pergatory thing, where in the Bible do you find pergatory or limbo?  I have never found such a place.  You can't work your way to heaven, you are saved by Grace, not by works, so how can you be good enough to get from this pergatory to heaven, if you weren't good enough to get from earth to heaven?  Go figure? Salvation is a gift from God, you don't work for a gift, it is given freely out of love!  There is no greater love than God giving His only Son to die for us, who do not deserve it!  All I can say is.....Thank you Lord Jesus for your gift so freely given to a wretch like me!

ETA:  After reading and hearing more on this "Original Sin" issue I don't believe it is something that I believe in.  I do not have to confess for the sins of Adam and Eve...when I come to Christ I have to confess "my" sins and no one elses.

I go to Evangelical Free Bible Church and I too believe what Christy H. said above.  The confession of sins is of our own alone, not anyone elses.  But the sins of mankind began with the original sin of Adam and Eve, that is why we are all born sinners, it is the curse that has been placed on mankind, that is why get old suffer and die. BUT....through Jesus' death on the cross we are set free from eternal damnation if we accept Him as our Savior and live according to His will.  Just wanted to make sure that it has been said, that even tho it may seem dark and gloomy because of this "Original Sin", there is a silver lining, and that is Jesus!

 



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Date Posted: 5/1/2008 5:46 PM ET
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I believe that babies are asleep in the grave until Christ's return at which time they will be lovingly placed into the arms of their mothers.



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