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Subject: Everyone here knows that Erotica doesn't necessarily mean Romance, right?
Date Posted: 3/20/2009 9:06 PM ET
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I'm just curious.    There's a lot of talk - on this forum and especially in the Games forum - about Erotica.  I've played in some of the games and participated in some of the discussions, and have never seen a book discussed or swapped that wasn't Erotic Romance (sometimes called Romantica).  So it became obvious that although members don't say erotic romance when swapping or discussing books, that's what they mean.    Erotic romance IS erotica, but it's a sub-genre of erotica.   I think it's probably the largest sub-genre of erotica by far, but still a sub-genre.   There are lots of erotica books out there that aren't romantic in the slightest.  The only requirement for an erotica book is that a book "deal substantively with erotically stimulating or sexually arousing descriptions".

About a year or so ago I filled a book order for a erotica book that definitely had no romance in it.  I picked up the book at a book sale, but didn't really like it so I posted it.   (I've since discovered that the only type of erotica that I really like is erotic romance.)  It was immediately snapped up because it was wishlisted.   I sometimes browse the wishlists of people who order from me, looking to see if they like the same type of books that I do and would like to become a buddy.   Her wishlist was full of erotic romance.  This book wasn't classified by PBS as Romance, just Erotica. So I thought about PM'ing her to make sure that she knew this book wasn't erotic romance - but in the end I figured that she knew what she was doing and sent her the book.  I also have a habit of reading the reviews, and noticed that several weeks later she posted a review of the book saying that she didn't like it and it wasn't what she she expected.   I guess I should have sent that PM.

Since the amount of discussion about Erotica books seems to have ramped up recently, that reminded me of this transaction.   And I thought I would see what you all thought.  Do you think people confuse erotica and romance here on PBS?



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Date Posted: 3/20/2009 9:12 PM ET
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I know that there's a difference between erotica and erotic romance.    I prefer the erotic romance.    I think we just use the term "erotica" as a short cut.    At least, I  do.

Date Posted: 3/20/2009 9:24 PM ET
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I think most people know the difference.  But since PBS does not have a separate erotica forum, it seems to fit the best here in the L&R forum.

Each person is responsible for what they order, so I wouldn't worry about what other people order from you.  There are plenty of ways that they can find out what a book is like- reviews here, Amazon, etc.  Besides, there are always those people who are exploring different genres and are still figuring out what they like.  I tried (non-romance) erotica, and it wasn't really my thing, but I would never blame the person from whom I ordered a book for that.  It's all just part of the process of discovering what you like.  Now I know that I only prefer erotic romance (or romantic erotica), which I didn't know before.

Date Posted: 3/20/2009 9:41 PM ET
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I usually will say "romantica" for erotic romance, but I think Ellora's Cave or somebody is claiming to own that name these days, & goodness knows I wouldn't want to be sued for using it:P  The term "erotica" is old though, and since most of what people are talking about when they refer to it here is much newer, I do think of it as being different from erotic romance.  Erotica pretty much means anything, be that writing, art, photography, etc, that deals with erotically stimulating subject matter, so you have to assume that romance may not be part of the package:P

Date Posted: 3/20/2009 9:50 PM ET
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Lynne, that's a good point you've made.  I remember several interesting discussions within the Erotica Virtual Box thread about what the difference is between erotica and erotic romance.  If I remember correctly, the main difference was that erotic romance had the HEA ending and probably more of a plot to it.

I've found that my tastes mainly lean towards erotic romance (I like the term Romantica, it fits very well!) as  I'm a big sucker for a HEA in any type of romance.   However, I have read some erotica and enjoyed it - I've seen it sometimes referred to as PWP (Plot What Plot) LOL!

I tend to use the term "erotica" very loosely to also include erotic romance.   A lot of the readers here of erotica/erotic romance also tend to read other genres of romance (paranormal, historical, contemporary, etc.)   

I've also found that tastes vary widely between readers...I've seen some of my favs on other folk's worst read lists and vice versa! 

Date Posted: 3/20/2009 10:38 PM ET
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I usually say erotica when I mean erotic romance or romantica.  There is definitely a difference!  I tend to like romantica more than erotica but I do read both.  I definitely started out as a romance reader and ventured out into the spicier stuff.

I saw the discussion that probably inspired this, someone asking is there an Erotica forum and regular posters on this forum steering her here.  She then said she'd never thought to look for erotica discussions on the Love & Romance forum, she thought this one was all about romance.  I guess it never occurred to me that someone WOULDN'T think to look on this forum for those kinds of discussions.  I guess I tend to think of erotica and romantica as offshoots of romances.  Related but not the same at all.

 



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Date Posted: 3/20/2009 11:24 PM ET
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I've learned in teh few years I've been on here...but for me to call it romantic romance there has to be a HEA. I did pick up a book someone recommended and they put in their review-either here or amazon-that the couple did not end up together and that it was erotica. I did get another book in one of the few erotic romance swaps I did on here and it's erotica ..I guess. just a bunch of short excerpts..personally none of them have floated my boat or even got my heart a beatin'.guess my imagination isn't so good! but some erotic romance some have liked I didn't care much for and others I've really liked and only a few others ever mention them. and some the sex part is good but the story is so darned weak or nonexistent that it's hard to classify it.

Date Posted: 3/21/2009 1:07 AM ET
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I know the difference because I read both although I prefer erotic romance.  (There's also Erotic Thrillers).  I try to tag them.   I kind of like some BDSM stories and I find those tend to be more erotic with less romance but not always.

I guess PBS figures people with group it under romance although there are erotic books geared towards men and I don't see any men hanging out here. 

They may be worried that having a board dedicated to Erotica would be pushing the limit on what they consider acceptable content/discussion.  By just having a Love/romance board maybe they feel we will police ourselves better. Although some of our discussions here have gotten pretty raunchy. 

I wouldn't PM someone about the genre of a book they ordered from me.  It's their job to know what they are ordering.  If they can't figure that out from the reviews, write ups, author's website, Amazon and the gazillion other places to find book info on-that's their problem.  I don't like every book I order on here and I don't expect others to either.  Sometimes a book turns out to be not what you expected.  Then you repost it and move on-I take the same reasoning behind books I didn't like or even detested. I still repost them as someone else might actually like the book.



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Date Posted: 3/21/2009 9:49 AM ET
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I'm ROTFLOL at PWP (Plot, What Plot?)!    That's a pretty good description of some erotica books.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.  I agree that each individual is responsible for making their own decisions in the books they get from PBS (which is why I never sent that PM).   I felt mildly guilty that they didn't get a book they liked, but I guess that could happen with any book order.

And Betsy, I don't think you are the only one who uses Erotica as a type of shortcut for Erotic Romance on PBS.   That's why someone who is new to Erotica and is just getting exposed to it through PBS could start to think that Erotic Romance and Erotica are the same thing.   I wasn't aware that this had been discussed in the Erotica Virtual Box game, but I'm glad that it was.   And I agree that romance is all about the HEA, and that would be the defining point for an erotic romance book.   I stopped playing in the Erotica swap games.   Not because I don't like Erotic Romance books, for the most part I love them :-)   But I tend to hang onto my ER books for quite a while, re-reading my faves over and over.  So I'm not ready to trade them.   Maybe someday soon I'll be ready to trade some and join one of the games then.

Date Posted: 3/21/2009 10:10 AM ET
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well I consider the credit I spent as a cheap learning experience! but it's still hit and miss with me..some ellora's cave I just love and others I don't know who/why they got published..I've actually gotten a few that didn't hve any nookie til over halfway through thebook! geez what a ripoff! and a couple I really wish they'd added more of a story (for instance rhyannon byrd's against the wall and triple play) no beating around the bush on those but at least I got my  money's worth in the sex department! but I prefer a decent storyline to follow other than just the sex(ok usually!) or to at least know. I try to do reviews on the erotic romance I've read and I like seeing reviews that state wh at was liked/disliked about the book so I can get a better idea of what it's like.

Date Posted: 3/21/2009 11:01 AM ET
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I tend to like the "romantica" stuff better than the parts is parts straight up erotica.   I tend to notice that most of the active posters in the forums and the games seem to know what they're asking for as far as what sort of spice they like.   LOL at PWP!!  I think people newer to the genre might be more likely to get something they weren't expecting. 

Date Posted: 3/27/2009 10:27 AM ET
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I like the erotic romance with a HEA ending, but I live in a small town and cannot find those books around here.  I just have to wait and hope someone will "give up" ones off of their keeper shelves and post them on PBS.  If I don't like them, I just post them back on PBS!

Date Posted: 3/27/2009 11:12 AM ET
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I tend to like the "romantica" stuff better than the parts is parts straight up erotica.   I tend to notice that most of the active posters in the forums and the games seem to know what they're asking for as far as what sort of spice they like.   LOL at PWP!!  I think people newer to the genre might be more likely to get something they weren't expecting.

I tried to read books that were more romantica than erotica, thinking I'd like that better because it must be just more explicit romance, and some of it is, but is still too cheesy for me.  What I've tried so far was short on story for my taste.  I still have a couple of Sylvia Day books on my WL because they got good recommendations, but that's probably about the extent of what I'll be trying, unless something comes out that everyone raves about.  I thought since my preference was for R rated historicals, I'd like the jucier stuff, but I haven't read one yet that I thought was a keeper.  Mitzi, you should watch the WL thread because they do get posted there frequently.  That's where I got most of the ones I tried anyway.

Date Posted: 3/27/2009 11:28 AM ET
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Mitzi,  There are plenty of erotic romance books posted and available on PBS.   To find them, do an Advanced Search (for Posted Books only) for the Genre "Literature and Fiction" and the sub-genre "Genre Fiction".     That will bring up a list of books and to the left of your screen you will be given an option to drive down further in your search.  Click on the drop down box BELOW Genre Fiction and choose Erotica and then click on "Update Results".

That's going to bring up all of the Erotica genre books available in PBS to order right now.   As previously pointed out, not all of these will be romance, but some of them are.  Just browse through and you should find a few you might like.



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