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Subject: Expanding the Wish List?
Date Posted: 4/22/2009 3:24 PM ET
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I'm a relatively recent PBS user, but I've already got nearly 200 items on my wishlist. Some are popular, but many of these are items that haven't been posted in years and aren't likely to be posted often....

Why are Wish Lists so limited? Any hope of expanding Wish Lists in the future? :-/

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 3:37 PM ET
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THey are working on a new WL which will be unlimited.  They've been tweaking with the WL a lot lately and so maybe it's finally coming. 

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 3:45 PM ET
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Cool! :D

Subject: wish list
Date Posted: 4/22/2009 7:21 PM ET
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I just read the rules of the new wish list and they seem pretty complicated and unfair....whoever requested first should get the book, not whoever accumulated the most points. :( Also, they are not going to give you the option to buy credits if you don't have any...you'll have to buy them ahead of time. That's not a problem for me, but it will be to some. Anyone else not crazy about the new rules?

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 7:51 PM ET
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huh?? they are changing it to whoever has the most points on the wishlist gets the book first?? Where are new rules found?

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 7:52 PM ET
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Haven't seen the new rules, where are they?

I like the current FIFO system, but have my doubts PBS will increase the wish lists at this time.  IMO the economy is already contributing to much longer wishlists, if members could add more books to our wishlists it will only increase the wait for wishlisted books.

If the new system gives priority to accumulated points, I doubt I'm going to like it much.  This would give the advantage to booksellers, semi professionals, and serious hobbiests.  Do you know how many books some people trade on PBS?  And other members who only carry a few credits and want a few books are going to be placed at the end of the line?  Hmmm...is this something that members have requested?  Does anyone see any advantages that I'm missing?



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Date Posted: 4/22/2009 7:57 PM ET
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I don't see any advantages. I don't like that system at all, hopefully its not true. It should be first come first serve. If your first in line on the wishlist, you should get it, not depending on how many points someone has.

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 7:59 PM ET
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It's not the person who has the most points--by points, I assume you are using that term interchangably with credits??--what they mean by points is NOT the number of credits a person has!! They mean the number of points for any given book on your WL based on several factors, it's determined by how you rank your books, current place in line, etc. Someone who just wishlisted a book is not going to get it first before someone who has had it on their list for a year.

There are multiple, multiple threads about this if you do a search on the forums and I believe there is also information in the help docs about it. It's not something I worry about, to be honest. If and when it happens, it happens. No big deal.

Cheryl



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Date Posted: 4/22/2009 8:01 PM ET
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oh is it something, where you have to rank each book seperately, and thats how its determined than?

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 8:02 PM ET
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I wonder when it will go into effect.

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 8:04 PM ET
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Ranking the 200 (or more) books on my wishlist, like that's not going to be a headyache?  I belong to another site that allows members to rank  our wishlists - it's a major time drain & Iit's not as useful as it seems...like not at all.

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 8:16 PM ET
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I found the link

 

http://www.paperbackswap.com/help/search.php?terms=new+wishlist

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 8:35 PM ET
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I don't like the idea of ranking them at all.  If they are on my wishlist, it means I want them and mostly I'm not too choosy about when I get them.  How do I decide which book I want to rank higher?  The non-fiction biography of John Adams or the Star Wars novel set between the first and second movie? 

And if I rank one higher than the other but the lower ranked one comes avaible first, will I get skipped because the person who added that book to his wishlist a week after I did has it ranked number 1 on his list? 

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 9:14 PM ET
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Wow, that's confusing.  I like the part about having the ability to put individual books on hold, that sounds useful for many readers.  Otherwise the whole rank + time = wl placement equation doesn't sound very workable.  Someone who has had a book ranked for number 1 for 2 months could be in line ahead of a person wishlisting the same book for 12 months ranked at number 140.  Is it just me, or does this system appear to penalize members with large wishlists?

PS the thought occurres that the new system is no longer FIFO, but book auctions based on senority and ranking.



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Date Posted: 4/22/2009 10:49 PM ET
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What I DON'T want is the potential elimination of/merge with the Reminder List. Right now, I have a bunch of things on my reminder list that have many copies in the system and that I may order down the line when I have surplus credits, and more importantly, surplus time to read them and room on my shelf to put them.



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Date Posted: 4/22/2009 10:56 PM ET
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This topic comes up frequently.  If you prefer the FIFO system and/or want to keep the RL ('cause they say it's going away once the WL goes to unlimited) then you need to use the "Contact Us" Link and tell them.  They do not read this forum.  TPTB need to hear what the membership wants.  As of now they've said the change is coming and FIFO will be out....but if the PBS membership really, really doesn't want that then they need to know BEFORE this goes into effect.  With all the new changes to the WL - it may not be far away.

Ruth

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 11:22 PM ET
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The  proposed changes indicate members will have the ability to place individual books on 'hold', this option may be a satisfactory replacement for the RL.  What do you think Carolyn?

All current PBS members joined under FIFO, I'm especially concerned for the transition to the seniority + rank equation.  I also question how prospective new members will view the seniority thing?  Will we loose potential new members, unwilling to wait for their 'seniorship' status? Newbies can have a difficult time figuring things out now with simple guidelines & wrapping instruction, more complex rules could be a mess.

My dad used to say "if it's not broken, don't fix it"  . . .is the current FIFO really broken?  Where are these discussion threads?  I'd be interested to see the pros & cons my fellow members envision.

Thanks everyone for the information & discussion!

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 11:34 PM ET
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Cindy - thanks for the link!

Ruth - thanks for the suggestion to send them feedback...I just sent the following:

"Why overly complicate something that is not broken? The new ranking + days on list is a weird way to approach a simple equation: I want the book, I asked for the book, I'll get it on my turn. Sounds like you let the statisticians run amok when designing this system. Did anyone ask for this? Puh-lease. AND giving into the "i wanna, gimme" of a subset of members is going to do more harm than good for those of us with lengthy wish lists. If they want the book that badly, they can spend an extra $4 (beyond the standard book postage) to buy it."

Date Posted: 4/22/2009 11:37 PM ET
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I don't track the threads about the new WL.  It comes up often.  Very often.  I don't think FIFO should be scrapped.  I like it that way.  I hated it when I had to rate all the books I'd listed on my BIR.  I'm NOT going to like ranking books at all.  And I won't do it.  I'll just get books that I want that don't need to be WL'd. 

Seniorship will have its limits.  It's in favor of the new members that they are doing this change.  They already use it on the other Swap sites.  Too much trouble for me!

Ruth

Date Posted: 4/23/2009 1:09 AM ET
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Ruth, I don't think you need to give up getting WL'ed books if your only reason is refusing to rank your WL. Please see the cut and paste below: 

"If I don't bother to rank my Wish List, that means I won't get any Wish List items!  I can't believe I have to fuss with this."

Not at all!  You can use the auto-rank feature (soon to be available) to let the PBS system determine the best ranks for your books so you get as many of your Wish Listed items as possible.   You can auto-rank and then tweak the rankings from there as you like.

 

(Although I see it's possible that doing so as a form of protest could be what you are considering as well)

Date Posted: 4/23/2009 1:35 AM ET
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Well, for the most part my WL is made up of odd titles that not all that many people want.  I do like to get in early on new releases'  WL's.  But I really hate the idea that we have to constantly manipulate our rankings.  It's too much like watching the stock market for me.  FIFO works for me much better than I could ever do and I think it's much fairer to everybody.  JMHO.  Anyway, I won't be "protesting" any changes.  Life will go on.  Somehow! ;D

Ruth

Date Posted: 4/23/2009 1:47 AM ET
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What is auto ranking and wouldn't that be just about as useless as not bothering? Sounds like a no win situation.  LOL must be bedtime I'm sounding cranky :-)



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Date Posted: 4/23/2009 12:43 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/23/2009 1:07 PM ET
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Cindy said, "...The points for ranking a book at the 600 mark would have to be so small as to not be worth bothering with."  - that was my thought also Cindy, and again the time drain required to rank and maintain a lengthy wishlist.  Which is why IMO it gives the appearance of penalizing members with extensive wishlists...which is probably many of the more active PBS members and book enthusiasts.

Don't have time to research today, but what's the proposed ranking systsem?  Would Cindy have to rank her 600 books 1 to 600 or is it like a scale of 1 to 5 and Cindy would rank each of her books 1 -5? 

Thanks for suggesting printing a list, that would save me redoing alot of research if the lists were suddenly merged.  I should write a comment to TPTB :-)

Date Posted: 4/23/2009 7:26 PM ET
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