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Subject: Express Envelopes turned inside out, not ok right?
Date Posted: 8/3/2009 11:10 PM ET
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  I just got a book that was well wrapped with a large express USPS envelope turned inside out. I thought this was wrong to do? They are to be used only if you pay to use them as printed on the outside of them. I remember reading about it some place else though a while back. I also remember reading about packages being returned to sender or worse, going missing, when it was found by usps.

 What are your thoughts?

Date Posted: 8/3/2009 11:14 PM ET
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No, you can't do that or risk big trouble with the USPS.  It's not worth it.

Ruth

Date Posted: 8/3/2009 11:15 PM ET
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Yes, you're right. If the USPS figures out that it's one of their envelopes, they can charge the receiver the amount that would have been required for the class of the free envelope. So, a priority envelope would be charged priority rate, express envelope would be charged the express rate.

Date Posted: 8/3/2009 11:29 PM ET
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If you want to show them the Help Docs (Priority and Express are the same rules):

Alternate Packaging:

  • Suggestions for alternate packaging materials:
    • Heavy brown paper (from a cut-down grocery sack)
    • Manila envelope
      • tape it down tightly around the book(s) to prevent "flaps" that can get caught in postal machinery
      • if your envelope has a metal clasp, this can rub against the book cover and cause damage--a piece of tape over the inside portion of the clasp will prevent this.
    • Bubble or padded mailer
    • Tyvek or similar large envelope
      • tape it down tightly around the book(s) to prevent "flaps" that can get caught in postal machinery
    • Box
      • prevent your books from sliding around inside with crumpled paper (NOT newspaper--the ink can mark the books!) or (clean) plastic shopping bags, balled up.
  • Poor choices for alternate packaging materials:
    • Giftwrapping paper (too thin)
    • Newspaper (can smudge ink onto the books)
    • Priority mail envelope (this is illegal to use for MediaMail, even if you are reusing it, and even if you turn it inside out!)
      • if you do this, and the package is inspected, it will arrive postage-due at the requestor's, or be returned postage-due to you (the additional postage required will be the difference between postage paid and Priority Mail rate)


Last Edited on: 8/3/09 11:30 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/3/2009 11:31 PM ET
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I got one of those once from a regular PBS poster.  I just sent a polite pm saying "hey just wanted to let you know that reusing the Priority envelopes for anythig but priority can get you in trouble with the post office. I'd hate to see you have to give someone credits becuase their book arrived postage due".  She was very appreciative to learn that.

Date Posted: 8/4/2009 1:43 AM ET
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Not OK

Date Posted: 8/4/2009 2:13 AM ET
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I did let them know but have not heard anything back.

 

Thank you all for making that more clear for me. I knew it, but was no sure ya know. I hope they do not do it again.

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 8:44 AM ET
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Question, I get the not reusing USPS envelopes......What about reusing and turning inside out FedExp envelopes?

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 9:43 AM ET
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Well Fex Ex is a different company so I would think that would be ok.  The issue with reusing Priority and Next Day air envelopes from the PO is that they provide those free when you use those services. So if they allowed you to turn them inside out adn reuse them then people would go in there and grab free envelopes and boxes and then turn them inside out and make like they are reusing them. 

But Fed-ex is not part of the USPO. 

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 9:52 AM ET
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That's was I was thinking too.... just wanted to confirm...thanks! :0)

Date Posted: 8/5/2009 11:32 AM ET
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If you sign up for a FedEx account the terms and conditions state that any supplies or materials acquired from them may not be used for any purpose other than shipping with FedEx, and that FedEx may seek damages against you for any improper, illegal or other misuse of these supplies.  While I never heard of anyone being fined or arrested for improperly using their supplies, technically FedEx supplies are made available for use with FedEx shipping only.  I imagine UPS has a similar condition.