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Subject: FOREVER STAMPS ONLY FOR MAIL, NOT BOOKS, YIKES!!
Date Posted: 5/10/2008 2:59 PM ET
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   THE  OLD  FOREVER  STAMPS  WILL  NOT  WORK  ON  OUR  BOOKS.   HUBBY  FOUND  OUT WHEN  HE  WAS  BUYING  SOME  EXTRA  STAMPS.  NOW  WE   HAVE  LOTS  OF  STAMPS  FOR  LETTERS, NOT SO  MANY  FOR  BOOKS!!  THE  NEW  STAMPS , ALSO  OLD  STAMPS  WILL  ONLY  WORK  ON  ENVELOPES  OF A OUNCE!!  YIKES, I  FORSEE  A  LOT  OF  BOOKS  BEING  RETURNED  TO  SENDER  BECAUSE  OF  THIS. HOW  DO  WE  GET  THE  WORD  OUT? I  AM  SO  UPSET  FOR  OUR  COMMUNITY  BECAUSE  THEY    PROBABLY  DO  NOT  KNOW  THIS.  HELP, HOW  DO  WE  LET  THEM   KNOW?

Date Posted: 5/10/2008 4:20 PM ET
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There is no restriction for using forever stamps. On Monday, each stamp is worth 42 cents instead of the 41 cents that it is today. The only restriction for mailing books is the same one as we already have, if it is over 13 ounces and you are using stamps, it must be handed to  clerk at the post office.

Date Posted: 5/12/2008 11:02 AM ET
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The Forever stamps can be put on anything. There isn't a restriction that you can't use them on books. Nobody at my recent trip to the post office said I couldn't use them on books and they know me by name and that I mail scads of books with stamps.

Date Posted: 5/12/2008 11:20 AM ET
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I bought a bunch of Forever stamps at the beginning of April and have mailed at least 3 books using them.  As the others have said, there are no restrictions.

Deb

Date Posted: 5/13/2008 12:30 PM ET
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Yup, someone was yanking your hubby's chain. There are no restrictions using stamps, old, forever, new, whatever, they can all be used to mail anything (with the 13oz restriction in mind). Sounds like someone was just trying to increase revenue by making him by more postage.

Date Posted: 5/15/2008 10:44 PM ET
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you can even use the forever stamps for international mail as well

 

Date Posted: 5/18/2008 12:57 AM ET
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As a stamp collector, no longer very actively so, there is a minor correction to this.  Stamps issued before the Civil War---1862 and before, were demonitized and are no longer good for postage.  That was because there were stocks of them in Confederate post offices and the Union didn't want them used like money.  Of course, all stamps from that era are worth FAR MORE than face value, anyway, so it's a meaningless correction.  ALL OTHER STAMPS issued since the 1860's, thogh, are good for any kind of postage you choose to use them for.

Date Posted: 6/10/2008 8:38 AM ET
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Wow Winston, thanks for the trivia.  I collected stamps as a kid.

Date Posted: 6/16/2008 10:48 PM ET
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Actually, I was told by a postal clerk just last week that you cannot use forever stamps to mail packages. I had a whole slew of different rate stamps on a book I dropped off at the counter and she immediately pointed out that  the forever stamps are a no no. She told me that some will get through but they are not supposed to be used on packages since they have no value printed on the stamp itself.  :::shrug::: She allowed me to peel them off my package and I bought stamps to replace them right there and then.

ETA: Here's a USPS fact sheet that specifically states they are for First Class1 ounce letters which is what the clerk told me.

http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/forever_stamp_facts.htm

Adding one more link that reiterates the info: http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&categoryId=21903&productId=37853&langId=-1

 



Last Edited on: 6/16/08 11:01 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Date Posted: 6/16/2008 11:35 PM ET
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Everything says it covers a First Class letter, but I don't see anywhere that it says it is exclusively for use on them. The PO guys give me Forever stamps when I ask for a book of stamps knowing full well that I will be using them on books. During the change over to new prices, they are the only ones you can get.  Interesting how many different interpretations of postal rules there are among the different postal employees.

Date Posted: 6/16/2008 11:55 PM ET
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I've looked on the web to see if I can find something clarifying this issue further but I found nothing from the USPS site. However, alot of other sites mention that it can ONLY be used on a one ounce first class piece of mail. From now on I plan to err on the side of caution. It could be different postal employee interpretations or it could be that some are better informed than others. I live in So. Cal. by the way in the greater LA area so it might not be worth the risk to use forever stamps to mail books to this area.

Date Posted: 6/17/2008 5:29 PM ET
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 I agree w/ Melanie I think the problem here is how the info is being interpreted. The links above clearly say that forever stamps will always have the value of first class mail. It does NOT say that it can only be used on first class mail (envelopes), you would just have to use more , just like you would for international mail (mentioned at the end of the list on first link). My "postal lady" laughed when I asked her (today) if it was okay to use up my old stamps to mail a book and add enough forever stamps to make up the difference. She said "money is money, you bought the stamps you can use them to mail whatever as long as the numbers add up".  As long as you use enough stamps (monetary value) I can't see it being an issue, if a postal worker says no I would ask to see it in writing.

This kind of reminds me of the post where one P.O wanted books wrapped in front of them, one wanted books left open at one end to check them, and other post offices had no such rules/regulations. Maybe some PO workers feel a little "powerful":)  Not ALL workers! (please don't get mad at me)



Last Edited on: 6/17/08 5:31 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/17/2008 6:21 PM ET
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Here is the email reply I got back from the USPS website today  when I asked the same question.

The question I sent was:

Can forever stamps be used for sending packages such as books? For example since the current price of a first class stamp is 42 cents, and if I have a package that costs $4.20 to ship could I affix 10 forever stamps? If the price of a first class stamp goes up to 50 cents and I have a package that costs $5 to ship, could I still affix 10 forever stamps that I had purchased before the price increase?

I just want to make sure that the postage I use is in compliance with USPS, as there seems to be some confusion with various post offices about if the forever stamps can only be used on letters, or if they can be used on packages and parcels as well like other stamps.

and this was their reply:

Dear DAWN XXXXXXXXXX,

Thank you for contacting us about using your Forever stamps on your parcels.

Yes you can use the Forever stamps on parcels as well with letters. The Forever stamp will be valid for the first-ounce First-Class Mail® letter postage regardless of the actual price on the date of use. In other words if the price to mail a one ounce First-Class letter is 42 cents as it is now, then Forever stamps used on a parcel will also be worth 42 cents. If the price increases in the future for example as you said up to 50 cents, then the Forever stamp put on a parcel will then have a 50 cent value. The value of a Forever stramp is whatever the cost of the first-ounce of a First-Class Mail letter is at the time you use it, no matter what type of mailing it is affixed to.

Please note that mail pieces weighing more than 13 ounces bearing postage stamps for postage must be brought to an employee at a retail counter in a Post Office.

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Thank you for choosing the United States Postal Service®.

Regards,

Jenifer K

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I hope that helps clear up any confusion and if you are having trouble with your local postal employees honoring this, then may I suggest you can a reply from the USPS addressed to you, and print a copy to present to the employee.



Last Edited on: 6/23/08 7:53 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/19/2008 11:58 PM ET
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"Here is the reply I got back from the USPS today, when I asked the same question."

Heh, maybe you should try asking a couple times to see if you get different responses from different people. :)

Last Edited on: 6/19/08 11:58 PM ET - Total times edited: 1

Date Posted: 6/20/2008 6:50 PM ET
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Thursday  at the PO I got the same response as Dawn. All 3 clerks said the same - the forever stamps can be used for whatever at their present value - now, 42, but who knows when the next raise will be. They told me the gas costs of delivering mail is going out the roof! Perhaps we should be expecting another raise soon?



Last Edited on: 6/20/08 6:50 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/20/2008 9:55 PM ET
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"...but who knows when the next raise will be. They told me the gas costs of delivering mail is going out the roof! Perhaps we should be expecting another raise soon? ..."

 

The next raise can be no sooner than next May based on the new guidelines.

Date Posted: 6/20/2008 11:32 PM ET
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I am a carrier and have never heard about any restrictions to using the Forever stamp, only that it's value is determined by the current 1 oz. First Class letter rate.

However, I would understand if the Forever stamp was restricted to First Class mailings, as clearly that is the stated purpose of the stamp, to forever be able to mail a letter using this stamp. The stamp even says First-Class on it.

Now for a anecdote:
On the sheet of 20 Forever stamps is an area the size of 4 stamps that pretty much replicates the stamp but with a tan-colored background and has a UPC. I received a postmarked greeting card to deliver on my route the other day using this for the postage. I was surprised that it got all the way to me before being returned to sender for postage. Everybody got a chuckle out of it.

Date Posted: 6/23/2008 1:11 PM ET
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haha!! one of my employees did the did the same thing Tim.  I laughed so hard, but corrected the mistake before it went out.

 

ETA:  I think the "forever Stamp" should ONLY be used for 'first class" as stated on the actual stamp.  Not only letters, but packages under 13 oz. or whatever the maximum weight is.



Last Edited on: 6/23/08 1:13 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/23/2008 4:26 PM ET
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Well just to see if I would get a different response I emailed USPS as well. I explained that conflicting information was being given by the postal clerks in different parts of the country. Anyway, here's their response:

Thank you for contacting us about using the Forever stamp.

I am sorry for the confusion. As long as your pieces are still considered First Class Mail and you are not mailing bulk mailings, they fine to use. I have included a link to our Domestic Mail Manual where this is covered. It states:

Forever stamps are sold for the price of the current First-Class Mail single-piece 1-ounce letter price in 133.1.4. The postage value of each forever stamp is the current First-Class Mail single-piece 1-ounce letter price. Forever stamps may be used only on single-piece price mail.

The link to 604.1.10 is below:

http://pe.usps.gov/search/jsp/search/vv_docread.jsp?k2dockey=http%3A%2F%2Fpe.usps.com%2Ftext%2Fdmm300%2F604.htm%40PE_DMM300_HTML_5&serverSpec=56.0.145.56:9920&QueryParser=Simple&querytext=%28forever%3CAND%3Estamp%29&dtype=2#hit0

If I can be of assistance to you in the future, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Thank you for choosing the United States Postal Service®.

Regards,

John At

 

ETA: Since the link above does not work I looked  up the Domestic Mail Manual myself. Hopefully, this link works. You just need to scroll up or down to 1.10 and it says just what this USPS employee stated.

http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/604.htm#wp1106370

So is "single piece price mail" a First Class letter?



Last Edited on: 6/23/08 4:49 PM ET - Total times edited: 3
Subject: Forever stamps
Date Posted: 6/23/2008 7:03 PM ET
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I am using forever stamps also on books.  The lady at the post office looked confused the first time i used them, and ask the other postal lady about it.  Appearantly there was a meno about discouraging the use of forever stamps but there was no rule against it.

 

MIke

Date Posted: 6/24/2008 12:28 AM ET
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yeah--what is single piece price mail?  That is where all the confusion sets in, i think.  no one but whomever wrote the manuals know what it means!!!

Date Posted: 6/24/2008 6:24 PM ET
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what is single piece price mail? - anything that is not bulk priced, which is what most of us send. It appears to me that they are just restating not mailing bulk mailings in a less clear manner.

Date Posted: 6/25/2008 2:41 PM ET
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Every PO I have mailed books from has accepted the forever stamps on books. 

Date Posted: 7/1/2008 9:32 AM ET
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Could the problem be people trying to send books media mail rate, with Forever Stamps as the postage?

I haven't tried mailing books with stamps on them because I never have enough laying around.  I just go to the PO and have them weight my book and print the postage out for me.

Date Posted: 7/2/2008 9:03 AM ET
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I don't get the confusion.  It's a stamp.  It's currently worth forty-two cents.  If you have enough of them on there to cover your media mail postage, then what's the problem?  Obviously there are some clueless postal workers out there.  I've never had a problem using stamps, forever ones or otherwise, to mail books or packages.

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