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Subject: On the fence about book condition
Date Posted: 1/12/2009 6:35 PM ET
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I just received a book today which was on my wishlist.  However,  I haven't decided if I am happy with its condition.  I've read through the guidelines and there is really no mention of creased covers.  Both the front and back covers of this book have creases or bends.  (The front cover has 4 visible creases and the back has 2)

Is this acceptable?  Am I being too picky?  What would you do.

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 6:40 PM ET
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If it's a paperback, I'd say it's a postable book.  If it's a hardback, I'd consider it overly worn and complain to the sender. 

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 6:44 PM ET
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It sounds like it's definitely close to excessively warn, and it's hard to judge without actually looking at it.  If it were a book I had requested I'd probably decide it fell on the postable side of the line.  It might be a tad disappointing, but still "acceptable".

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 7:14 PM ET
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Book cover creases are acceptable. Too many could border on "excessively worn', but as JimiJam says, that's hard to judge without seeing it. If I cannot easily quote the Help Center on what makes the book unpostable I usually let it go.

If cover creases really bother you, you could set up a Requester Condition asking that books not have creases in the covers.

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 7:21 PM ET
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Everybook eventually gets to it's last person as a postable book.  Sometimes that last person is you. THat might be the case with this one.

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 8:36 PM ET
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That's actually a point PBS has made itself on occasion, Mary.  Sometimes a book just reaches it's last read.  It's a bitter spot to be in, to be sure.  Personally I don't much like being where books go to die lol.

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 8:54 PM ET
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I've had a couple of WLd books come to me that I felt were on their last legs.  However, they were readable, and I read them and then put them in the Book Bazaar as WL unpostables, and got rid of them that way.  It didn't take long.  Pat

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 9:28 PM ET
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 "Excessively worn" is a very vague term.  I've never been clear what PBS means by it.  I would be disappointed to receive a paperback with creases in the cover (and I have received one large paperback with a pretty worn cover), but I still think in most cases a creased cover would meet the PBS posting guidelines.  It is very easy to get creases in paperback books these days.  Like everything else.. they don't make them like they used to.  The covers of many paperback books are quite thin - not too much thicker than the pages themselves.  Add to that the fact that many paperbacks are pretty big - almost as large as a hardbacked book., so they really could use the cover to be a little thicker and stronger.  I recently read a largish paperback.  It was a new book.  But it didn't look too new when I finished... and I was the first reader.  I didn't think I was too rough on it, but the corners of the cover are curled and a little creased.  Maybe I need to invest in some book covers...

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 10:40 PM ET
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Yes, "excessively worn" is a vague term - although the term that I would use is subjective.   PBS can only define so many things as postable or unpostable.  At some point the decision about whether a book is too worn to post has to be in the eye of the beholder.

To me, cover creases don't make a book unpostable.  Multiple creases along with other indicators of wear such as a bent spine would be another story.   But since this IS a subjective matter, I almost always ere on the side of leniency when receiving a worn book (which doesn't happen very oten), accept it and decide that I won't be posting it when done with it.   The buck (or in this case, the BOOK) has to stop somewhere LOL.

Date Posted: 1/12/2009 11:07 PM ET
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Thanks everyone for the input. 

I'll probably just add it to my 'unpostables' once I read it.

Date Posted: 1/13/2009 1:50 AM ET
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I recently got a book where I was the last person to read it - it appeared postable in every way, and truly until I started reading it, it was fine. Then one by one every page fell out as I read it, until about page 50. I had to use a paper clip to keep the pages together. Really, it didn't appear to be falling apart!! I think the glue just gave out, but there wasn't any way to tell that until I started holding the book open enough to read, then turning pages. I - sob! - threw the book away after I finished. I'm not upset about not getting another credit (well, not THAT upset) as much as the horror of destroying a book!

Date Posted: 1/13/2009 8:51 AM ET
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I joined the Damaged Books Virtual Box to help rehome those books that are still good and readable but just too beat up to send for a credit.

I also declined RCS for a WL book I posted yesterday because they wanted books with no odd "smells" and only "gently used".  Well all books smell odd to me and her version of gently used might mean brand new whereas my version means still readable and postable but with dog ears and spine creases etc..,  There were 41 other people looking for the book so really it was a no brainer.

Date Posted: 1/13/2009 12:42 PM ET
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Date Posted: 1/13/2009 1:36 PM ET
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Here's a link.        Damaged Books Virtual Box   It's in the games forum.  Basically you put in 2 credits which you get back when you decide to no longer do the box.  THey are just insurance so that you mail out the books you put into the box.  When you sign up for the box you list 2 unpostable books you have and are willing to send.  When a round starts the players are listed randomly like in a regular game.  Then people take out unpostable books they want and replace them with unpostable books they have.  There's usually a good variety of genres.   The hostess keeps updating the list.  Then after everyone has a turn you get around a week to mail the book out.  After all the books are received they do another round.  There's also a Historical box, Contemporary romance, erotica, cozy and mystery/thriller box.  Those are for postable books though. 

Date Posted: 1/13/2009 1:41 PM ET
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I would consider cover creases to be postable. 

Every so often I get an RC that asks that covers not be creased.  Once I declined RCs because of a crease on the cover.  The next person in line was very happy with the book.



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Date Posted: 1/14/2009 8:32 PM ET
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That's actually a point PBS has made itself on occasion, Mary.  Sometimes a book just reaches it's last read.  It's a bitter spot to be in, to be sure.  Personally I don't much like being where books go to die lol.

This cracked me up!  Yes, I don't like to be where books go to die either, but I think I stumbled into that fresh hell today.  "very good condition" turned out to be grubby and have a funky odor.  I guess it's all in a person's definition.  But thinking that every book does reach it's end helps..Of course they do!  I never looked at it that way before. 

And...it's wishlisted, so someone will still want it.

Date Posted: 1/14/2009 9:19 PM ET
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I declined RCS the other day that asked for "no odd smells" and only "genlty used"-it's just so subjective. I declined since there were 42 other people on WL. THe book was postable but it definately looked like it had been read a couple of times.

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 7:42 AM ET
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I would rather be able to read a book with a creased cover, than not have it be available at all.

 

I am looking for a specific book to request but there are no copies available at the moment. It is an older book by Frederick Pohl, and I really like his work. So in my case I would certainly accept a paperback with creased covers as long as all the pages were readable. If pages were falling out, however, I would not send this book on to someone else. That's my personal limit.

 

Date Posted: 1/15/2009 3:25 PM ET
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Sometimes I think I'm the "designated" funeral director for books that are on their last read! ;D  It can be disapointing - but everyone has to go sometime!

Ruth

Date Posted: 1/16/2009 9:01 AM ET
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Your just being way to picky. If the book is readable then why complain about it??? What is important is that it's readable, a creased cover is pretty superficial.