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Subject: Flashlight comes with book.. Missing, OK to post?
Date Posted: 2/26/2015 4:59 PM ET
Member Since: 11/5/2011
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I'm sure I've seen this in the help docs, but I just can't find it right now.

I have a book, http://www.paperbackswap.com/William-Magic-Ring-Laura-Robinson/book/0878464670/ that's supposed to come with a flashlight. Being second-hand, mine doesn't have a flashlight. I'm pretty sure it's OK to post without the flashlight, and people are waiting for it, so I'd like to get it out there.

Anyone with a quick answer?

Date Posted: 2/26/2015 5:06 PM ET
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Personally, I wouldn't post it. It's a bit of a toss up from the Help Docs:

Books that require accompanying NON-Media Materials to be usable: NO

  • Non - media items cannot be sent by Media mail
  • Example: a book that requires a decoder for its proper use.  Such a book must not be posted here.

Books that originally came with NON-Media Materials that are not necessary for the book to be useful: YES and the non-media items are not required to accompany the book

  • As long as the materials are not REQUIRED to use the book (ie, jewelry), these CAN be posted here. 
  • The requestor should NOT expect original non-Media items to accompany the used book.

Technically, the flashlight is required to use the book. To err on the side of caution, you can list it in the bazaar as an unpostable and ask to have a credit buddied for it.

Date Posted: 2/26/2015 5:28 PM ET
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That's my sticking point. The flashlight *isn't* required to read the book, it's still a storybook without it. It just makes it more fun. It's not like it's a special flashlight, any household flashlight will do. But I don't want a problem with a receiver.

I always get lost in the Book Bazaar. =/ I'll probably just donate it locally instead.

 

Date Posted: 2/26/2015 6:12 PM ET
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As far as I know, if the flashlight isn't necessary  for reading the book then it can be posted without it. What's the book?

Eta: you say any flashlight will do, is a flashlight (any flashlight) required? If it is then its probably not postable as, IMO, you shouldn't assume everybody has a flashlight handy. 

Eta again to correct the incorrect autocorrect. Fun stuff lol



Last Edited on: 2/26/15 6:16 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 2/26/2015 8:47 PM ET
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It's a "shadow casting" story, so you're supposed to shine a flashlight through cutouts on the pages. But most of the pages have white paper behind the cutouts that you fold out of the way, so you can still see the pictures without a flashlight. Or, you could hold it up to a light or a bright window.. (Not assuming everybody has lights or windows, just saying that there are other ways to enjoy the cutouts.)

Since everybody here has expressed that they'd want the flashlight with the book, I'm going to go ahead and ditch it.

Thanks!

Date Posted: 2/26/2015 9:11 PM ET
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Frankly, I think it qualifies without the flashlight. It is not a special decoder or required item. But this is a very fuzzy line. It gets even more difficult with children's books.

Date Posted: 2/26/2015 10:49 PM ET
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I have found most people here 'expect' the special stuff to come with kids' books despite what the rules say.  

Date Posted: 2/26/2015 11:56 PM ET
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Here's the 'note' that the PBSTeam gave the Data Edit Team to use on these listings...

Please Note: as with every used book being swapped at PaperBackSwap, the non-Media item that originally came with the book (in this case, the xxx) may not be included. Requestors should not expect the xxx to be included with a used copy of this book.
  (substituting item name for xxx)

A  NON_MEDIA item means it can't be sent Media Mail -- that's (part of) the criteria for whether it's required to accompany the book or not.  If the posting member chooses to pay add'l postage (if needed) to include the item, that's their choice.

Karen, I'm editing that listing to include the above note.  The data queue is low right now so hopefully it will show within a day or two.  Then you'll be covered.   Do you know anyone that doesn't have a flashlight in their home???  I have one in almost every room and keep one of the small led ones in my purse...

eta: Sorry -  After all the explanations everywhere on the web about the reason for the white and gold or blue and black dress image, I meant to go back to standard black print!

 

 


 



Last Edited on: 2/27/15 3:07 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 2/27/2015 2:11 AM ET
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Anna, that script font and pale color just disappears. 

Date Posted: 2/27/2015 3:38 AM ET
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The question of necessity is what needs to be answered to figure out if the book can even be posted. Help docs clearly state that if non media items are a necessary part of the book then the book cannot be posted with or without the non-media item. I thought that's what we were discussing, whether the flashlight is a required part of the book or just an extra.

if you need to see the shadows (and therefore will need the flashlight) in order to understand the story then it's not postable. From what she described I don't think that's the case with this book, so it should be fine.

and BTW, as a young adult I found myself on more than one occasion without a flashlight when needed. So, it does happen. Not typical, but possible.

Date Posted: 2/27/2015 3:05 PM ET
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Yes, that's correct.  If the book can't 'stand alone', then it wouldn't be postable.  If the shadows are 'enhancement', then it might be disappointing , but not necessarily unpostable.