http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/10/the_vp_debate_odd_moments.html

This is just great.

Who the crap am I going to vot for now!?

:(

Yep, we talked about this before: http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=133461 If he is going to make civil unions OK does it only include the LGBTQ community? What if I am non-religious and I want a union?

I wish they would leave the marriage thing up to each individual church or pastor or whatever. What happened to seperation of church and state? Why should the gov have a say about where/how we get married? Lots of churches now are accepting of all people, no matter who they love. They should get to decide who they marry in their church. They are already deciding what God says most of the time anyway. =p

Also, I can't find anywhere on McCain's site that he even supports unions. It is clear on Obama's though. I was really surprised to hear Palin say that they supported them when I had not read that before. Man, his site is really freakin scary. I am not going to look much more. Feel free to venture there for yourself. ;)

Oh I get it... :D

Thanks so much for explaining it to me because the site that I got the information from I think was a little "iffy" and I work nights, so I don't think that I was 100% aware with what I was reading.

I'm with you Julie :)  for DH and I we had to have 2 documents, one from the state (oops I mean colony since we were married in DC) and one from the church (which we no longer belong to nor ascribe to it's teachings... so does that make a portion of our "marriage" invalid?) .... one's a spiritual contract and one's legal... I just don't get why everyone can't have that same legal contract.... in our eyes we don't have a "marriage", we have a life partnership... to me it's just a freakin word... I say every cititzen should be able to enter a life contract of a partnership...of course I do have that ability, so I can't understand how those that don't feel, so I really should just shit up...

Amy - I find it frustrating too.  However, in the grand scheme of things, Obama is much better for our community on these issues (among tons of other issues as well, of course), and I will absolutely be voting for him.

ETA. Lovely (puke) Mrs. Palin also thinks it's a choice.  Because, you know, we choose not to have the same rights.

This just kills me.  Yes, I am married to my husband but I think everyone should have the same rights no matter what way they go!!!!!!!!!  Thats what is fair.  Can you imagine what it would be like if all of a sudden "straight" people couldn't wed?  All hell would break lose!  If it is good for the goose it is good for the gander.  It isn't fair to make people jump through hoops to get the same rights that other have and abuse.  If you ask me, it is more likely for GLTB to stay with their partner that a straight couple.  It should be legal for all, not just some in some states.  My sister was going to move so that she could marry her partner!  They ended up not getting married because her girlfriend got really sick and could not travel (cancer).  It is really a sad day in America for all that don't have the same rights.  Good luck to all.  Try to enjoy your unions if that is all that the government will let you have.  I know that California lets same sex couple wed because Ellen Degenerous just got married to Portia out there.  If you have to, move and hope that the law stands up in the states that it is legal right now.  Thanks for reading.  Michelle

I wish that Biden had said something different the other night in his debate, something like "Marriage is a religious institution and should be left up to the churches, but we absolutely support legal unions of heterosexual couples" instead of sounding so much like Palin.  She just creeps me out, with her schpeel on how she has gay friends that she "tolerates".  Yeah, I bet she does.

Amanda - I felt the same way!  I really wished Biden had furthered his response.  It stung.  And what gay person is really going to want to be friends with someone like Sarah Palin who is kind enough to "tolerate" you?  Give me a break.  She creeps me out too.  It still just seems fake to me!

But remember, Obama does want to overturn DOMA.  Do that, and the door is open for a lot more states to go the route of MA and CA. 

Another thing to consider is what Sarah Palin did NOT say during the VP debate.  Here's a link to a short Newseek article that outlines what she said and what she has done in the past:  http://www.newsweek.com/id/162324

You know what, I think saying "marriage" should be a religious union and "civil unions" should be a state/gov'/secular institution is total BS!  It reeks of the old "separate but equal" crap of the 1960s.  Equal rights means just that, equal! 

How ridiculous is the argument against gay marriage?  How does it detract from other's marriages?  I DON'T get it.  I really don't.   It is as outrageous to me as if someone said that same hair color  adults shouldn't be able to marry.  Could someone please explain why this is such a big issue. 

Lildrafire, 

Most of the controversy over same sex marriage is because of religion.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality

I once had a girlfriend that her mother would always degrade me and critisize everything I said (my mother cried and asked me what she did wrong, but she never treated me badly).  I would say something like, "Wow! We went to this museum and there was so much nice art!"  She would come back and say something under hear breath like, "In God's eyes that wasn't art.  It was probably homosexuality."  She would call me names that would normally not seem lewd like "Lez Bo" or "Homo" in her sentences followed by "God have mercy on your soul because you'll need it when you get to the gates."  She would even say stuff like that to her own DAUGHTER!  In all honestly, I started to lose what little faith and interest I did have because of her.  I didn't want to hear anything about Christianity or God whenever I wasn't around her.  I was 17 years old when I actually came out and found other lesbians.  I met and stayed with this one particular girl that I've been talking about, Madison, for 3 years before I grew up and found another that I have been with until this day.  It was a mixture of things that made me leave her, not just her mother, but I won't get into that.  The things that her mother said and how her mother treated me because I supposedly "turned her daughter gay."  Little did she realize that I was "the girl" of the relationship and I wasn't the one that dressed like a man (which I actually find attractive and I'm not trying to be insulting, but I'm proving a point).  I never turned ANYONE gay.  I always go for the "tom boys."  I always thought I was weird until I got a job at McDonald's in a military town and I met all of the lesbian Army girls that would take me out on dates that I sincerely enjoyed.

Blah blah blah.  Enough about me.  (If anyone's interested, PM me and I'll tell you the rest.)

The main issue is that the United States was created with Christians in mind, look at our money.  It says "In God we trust" on it.

Some people have a problem with it not just because it's "against the bible," but because they don't want same sex couples having the same benefits as them.  There are a lot of reasons that would take hours to explain (I don't have that kind of time right now).  I'll just leave my little 2 cents and say good night.

Amy, thank you for sharing. 

Yea, I knew that. Sucks doesn't it? I guess we are stuck voting for the lesser of the two evils.