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Subject: is "foxing" OK
Date Posted: 11/9/2009 9:59 PM ET
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I have a 42 year old cookbook that has some "foxing" on the pages. It is not mold. Is it postable?

Foxing:

In a nutshell, a foxed book's pages have some spotting, ranging from sort of a beige color to a rusty brown (like a fox's footprints, or maybe its reddish coat). Sometime foxed spots are referred to as "age spots." The causes of foxing include temperature & humidity changes (don't store your books in damp or unheated places!), and impurities within the paper (high acidity - most common in modern books with cheap paper, or iron or copper, commonly found in 19th century & older books). There may be other causes as well, such as fungus or other microorganisms. The reason for foxing in a particular book is often difficult to discern.

Foxing is very common in antique books (due to the paper used) and can certainly be found in contemporary books as well.

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 2:37 AM ET
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Foxing is allowed, and PBS does not consider it staining.  I can't find it in the help docs, but it's in an old thread somewhere where PBS said it's OK. 

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 3:14 AM ET
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Yes, its OK to post.

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 6:11 AM ET
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I couldn't find it in the help docs anywhere, but have sent out several books in the 20-50 year old range with foxing - no complaints. Usually a book of that age is more difficult to obtain.  

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 6:18 AM ET
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I just bumped up an old thread called "speckled book."  A member named Brook (oleander124) contacted PBS team who said foxing is allowed. 

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 7:35 AM ET
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Thanks, I sent out a 43 year old cookbook and the requester is complaining about the condition. I was pretty sure I had read that foxing was OK but couldn't find it and wanted to double check.

PBS posters are the best.

Subject: Here are examples. And the book in question.
Date Posted: 11/10/2009 12:11 PM ET
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The OP is talking about a book she sent to me that is water damaged and has a lot of mold. 

 

:::edited out stuff that doesn't matter::::

 

Please see below for illustrative purposes.


 

 

The following are examples of mold and moisture damage, also referred to as damp stain:

 

 

 

edited to correct my links

edited again to remove my comments about the pictures as some might find them inflammatory



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Date Posted: 11/10/2009 12:40 PM ET
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Tricia, I think the OP question was a generic question about foxing and is entirely appropriate.  While you are entirely in your right to dispute the condition of the book you received, I really don't think you singling her out in a public forum, or hijacking her thread to raise the dispute, which is what you have done, is appropriate or fair.  Just my $.02.

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 12:48 PM ET
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Christine,

Thank you for your reply.  It is really not my intent to "call her out" except that she is making comments that aren't accurate.  She certainly had the opportunity to keep this between she and I as we have already exchanged PMs about this issue.  I felt perhaps it was best to post images of the condition in question so that perhaps she and others might understand the difference between "foxing" and "mold". 

As I kept to topic I don't think I've hijacked the thread - but if you think this is the case please accept my apologies.  I have no dispute - I got my credit back.  I'll go back and edit my emotional reaction from my original post.  Thanks again.

 

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 12:52 PM ET
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Thanks Tricia.  I know something like this happened to someone else in a different thread.  I really appreciate your making the edits and taking my comment in the spirit with which it was intended.  Yet another reason I love PBS.

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 1:14 PM ET
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She certainly had the opportunity to keep this between she and I as we have already exchanged PMs about this issue

 

I kept this between you and I, YOU are the one making this public. NO where in this post did I mention you or our transaction. This really feels like you are stalking me.

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 1:35 PM ET
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Since Brandy gave the credit back I think it was a bit snarky for Tricia to call her out. Just my humble opinion.

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 1:54 PM ET
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Hi Kay,

Brandy did not return my credit - PBS did.  In fact, she seems to maintain that there was nothing wrong with the book.  Sorry if I seem snarky to you.  If you put yourself in my shoes you might feel different.  After reporting the item received with a problem and getting my credit back from PBS the issue was over for me.  How might you have felt if you had come to the discussion boards to find that same transaction being misrepresented in a public forum?  All forum posts and even the PMs were initiated by the OP - I am merely responding with the other side of the story and examples of the two different conditions in question as there seems to be some confusion about what  they look like.

Have a nice afternoon.

Trish

Date Posted: 11/10/2009 3:21 PM ET
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Kay got me thinking...


So I looked at my credit registry and I have NOT been credited for this book.  I hardly ever have issues here at PBS and the few bad experiences I've had have been over at SwapaDVD.   They have always immediately refunded my credits on that site the few times there has been an issue.  Seems not to be the case here at PBS. 

Brandy, I am sending you a PM to specifically request my credit be refunded as per the terms of the site. 

 

edited because I am taking this to PM per the terms of the site and I don't want to be further accused of stalking.



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Date Posted: 11/10/2009 3:48 PM ET
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The pictures in the links provided by Tricia are water damage and what looks like mold. That book would not be postable per PBS guidelines.

Here is another example of foxing ===> this would be postable

FoxingL.jpg



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