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Subject: Just a friendly reminder to NEVER assume a book is in postable condition...
Date Posted: 3/8/2009 12:14 AM ET
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... before you send it out.  I received a WL book and it had a cleaved spine, so I PM'd the sender and requested by credit back.   The book went back to my WL and I got offered another copy, which I accepted but stupidly never unwrapped from the plastic it came to me in.  You see what's coming, right?  I later post it and send it out and of course then get a PM from that member that this copy also had a cracked and cleaved spine.  I've returned her credit, along with my apology and explanation of what happened but of course it doesn't excuse the fact that I should have opened it and checked it out first.   Aside from being embarrassed by sending out such a book that I would have never knowingly sent, I'm also disappointed because it seems that more and more members are reporting being sent books that should never have been posted by people who were aware of the condition. 

 

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 1:20 AM ET
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Sure makes you wonder about the publisher of that book, doesn't it?   BOTH books had cleaved spines makes it seem like it wasn't made very good to start with.  Of course, that doesn't excuse someone sending it.

I am more tired of publishers that publish books that won't stand up to two readers than I am people who post them.  There are a whole lot more of the former.  That is NOT to say that anyone should post a book that doesn't meet PBS standards.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 10:06 AM ET
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I just finished a brand new book, and the cover fell off before I was even a third through it.  Now it has to be an unpostable.  I wouldn't care if it was older, but I bought it brand new.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 10:23 AM ET
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Maybe the publishers are making the books like this on purpose. If they fall apart after just one read then others will have to spend the money for a new copy instead of picking up a cheaper used copy.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 11:11 AM ET
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That's an interesting idea brcfan. The publisher's answer to Amazon and the various online swap sites?

As far as the OP's note about not assuming condition - I have found lately that you can't even assume postable condition coming off the shelves at NEW bookstores. I have bought books at Borders over the past few months only to get them home and find out they were already flawed and unpostable. Now I'm flipping through each copy in the store before I even make a purchase and deliberately choosing the one I think is in the best condition. I won't even buy books at Bookcloseouts anymore, although I miss their great prices. I've gotten several books from them recently that the spines/covers were coming unglued from the books.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 12:44 PM ET
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Well, I do think the publishers are doing it on purpose, but more to save money than to make it. The production cost is quite a bit cheaper using the poorer quality materials. Though, with how many fewer people are buying books new right now due to lack of money, it likely is the only stop-gap measure that could allow them to stay in business until things improve again. We can only hope they'll switch back to the better quality materials as soon as they can. They'd likely have to, since I doubt people would put up with it for long without a justifiable reason for it.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 1:12 PM ET
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I find a lot of the new books have wavy pages. I'm always afraid someone is going to complain that it's water damaged when it's not.  It's just the way they are binding them.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 1:28 PM ET
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 I have noticed the wavy pages too, i'm more careful to look for actual water damage than to blame wavy pages from a sender. Most books look that way in a bookstore lately.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 1:38 PM ET
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I just finished a brand new book, and the cover fell off before I was even a third through it. 

I would have returned that book to the store, or contacted the publisher to complain.  There is no excuse for a book not to make it through its first reading.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 3:53 PM ET
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I have a few books from the late 70's and early 80's.  Although for some the pages are yellowing, the binding holds up better even after all these years than more recently published books.  As with nearly everything else, "They don't make 'em like they used to..."

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 4:19 PM ET
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I have a few books from the late 70's and early 80's.  Although for some the pages are yellowing, the binding holds up better even after all these years than more recently published books.

Same here, Val.  Mine are thin PB romances but they are in much better condition, binding-wise, than some I just recently bought. 

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Date Posted: 3/8/2009 5:16 PM ET
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This'll sound strange but I worked in the newspaper industry.  Ten years ago they were going green.  Making an effort to have products that were more enviormentally safe.  The paper I worked for only bought paper from companies that had reforesting programs in place for one thing.  But all the chemicals they used were safe enough to go down the drain!

It wouldn't surprise me to find that the publishing industry is not only using less expensive products but enviromentally friendly products too.  And, those sure aren't like the things they used in the "old" days.

Date Posted: 3/8/2009 5:18 PM ET
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I did that and just marked it received, giving the benefit of the doubt, after opening  the package found the book had water damage to the last 50 pages.

I sure learned my lesson.



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Date Posted: 3/8/2009 8:32 PM ET
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I read a lot of sci/fi fantasy and many of those are over 700 pages.  The paperbacks of that size and larger don't hold up all that well sometimes.  I've had the cover fall right off before while reading - and I'm not rough on books.  I don't try to make them lie flat on the table.  It gets very frustrating when you spend $8 + for a paperback only to have it fall apart before you get through it!  The older books do hold up better.  It may indeed have to do with the new "green" products.  But that's the way of the future - maybe e-books are the thing we'll eventually have to go to.  That will be expensive for all of us!

Ruth