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Date Posted: 4/7/2008 8:41 PM ET
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Date Posted: 4/7/2008 8:46 PM ET
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Well, this may seem like a silly question, but are you absoultely sure you are requesting the exact edition you want?  If yes, then you should mark RWAP, wrong book, as you have done.  Then, if it were me, I'd ask for my credit back and politely explain the reason. 

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Date Posted: 4/7/2008 8:56 PM ET
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Please put these in a RWP - wrong book and let the sender know they are posting a book incorrectly. On the ones that I have rec'd the people said they just reposted from the system so someone before them had posted it wrong and they didn't realize that. Some of the other swap sites tell people to find a book that is close and post it that way. They won't know what they are doing is wrong until they are told, and as long as they are getting credits this way, they may not care - post by wrong ISBN and get a credit quickly because its WLed or be 198th in line by posting it correctly as a MMP can be pretty tempting to post it wrong and play innocent for people are needing credits. If you tell them they are posting it wrong, they know from now on; make them give back the credit so you can order the correct one, it becomes less appealing.

I might sound a little crotchetty on this one, but it is my pet peeve of all the rules to be broken. I totally understand mistakes, but it is the sender's, not the receiver's so the sender is the one who should be out the credit not the receiver having to pay postage to resend the wrong book in order to recoop their credit. Its so easy to just look at the book before sending it and make sure to get it right. If I sent one wrong, I'd certainly give back the credit instantly so that the person could re-order the correct one.

 The Help Center states the they must give you postage if they want it back.



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Date Posted: 4/7/2008 9:12 PM ET
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I agree - if the book you received has the wrong ISBN, mark it RWAP and request your credit back.  I don't look at it as being mean, more like helping someone to understand the rules (if it was unintentional) or to let them know they can't break them (if it was intentional).

Date Posted: 4/7/2008 9:17 PM ET
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I have another question. Are you saying the book you request doesn't have the ISBN that you requested or it isn't the size you are checking this method you say tells you the size? What I mean is, are you requesting a specific ISBN and not getting it, or are you getting the ISBN but it doesn't match the size that you checked this other source and the other source says it is supposed to be a trade size but when it arrives, it has the ISBN you ordered, but isn't the SIZE you are expecting? I hope I've asked that clearly  enough.

Date Posted: 4/7/2008 10:14 PM ET
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Sherry...I'm reading that the ISBN isn't the same...it has the same Title and Author but the ISBN is different.

Date Posted: 4/8/2008 12:17 AM ET
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Date Posted: 4/8/2008 12:26 AM ET
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I agree with marking the book RWP.  It says clearly when you are posting a book that the ISBN has to match.  If people are clearly disregarding this obvious rule then they need to be called on it or they'll just keep ignoring the rule. Then other rules start to get ignored because they got away with that one.

Date Posted: 4/8/2008 1:15 AM ET
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It's your choice, too, as to whether you want to send the book back.  it is yours to keep, or post, or return if the person sends you postage or gives you another credit to cover your postage costs.  Often, the sender does not ask for the book back.

From the help doc There is a problem with a book I received! : "You are not obligated to return the problem item at your expense, but if the sender gives you an extra credit or postage to do so, of course you may."

Date Posted: 4/8/2008 1:37 AM ET
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As someone else who has very specific ISBNs on my wishlist (to get Large Print)  I also  strongly urge you to mark them RWAP - Wrong Book because technically it is the wrong book.  Matching the ISBN is one of the four things they are asked about when they post the book.  We are asked if all four match, not just most.

In spite of requestor conditions that tell people to verify the ISBN I will still occaisionally get a wrong book.  I mark it RWAP - Wrong Book every time and usually ask for my credit back.

Depending on the number of books you have left to get this series complete you could consider using a requester condition to remind folks about checking the ISBN.  Something like:

"Because I am collecting some titles for my keeper shelf as well as others to repost, I ask that you please verify that the ISBN I have requested matches the one on the book you have.   You can verify this by clicking on the title of the book. If the ISBNs do not match, then (1) please cancel the order and (2) remove your book from your bookshelf and repost it with the correct ISBN so that someone else who orders your book will receive the correct book.  Thank you."

I rarely have a problem with mine but will every so often (1 out 25 or so requests) get someone who declines without understanding but they usually think I am looking for only Large Print because I also mention that in my conditions.

Date Posted: 4/8/2008 11:12 AM ET
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Also be aware that an ISBN can be used for more than one cover and edition and there are 3 sizes of paperback now.  The size doesn't have to match.  So the same ISBN can be used for a tradesize, mmp and those new goofy sized ones-where they're tall like a tradesize but the width of a mmp. Since they are all forms of paperback-they can all be listed on that ISBN.

Date Posted: 4/8/2008 11:59 AM ET
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Mary, that is why I was asking the question I did before responding. Yes, multiple sizes can be reused with the same ISBN, and I was wondering if that was what the OP was experiencing. But, she says she is definitely ordering one ISBN and getting a different one. So, that leaves the only option that the sender posted incorrectly.

As others said, Kim, if you do not mark these RWP, then you are enabling the sender to continue to post them incorrectly with no consequences. You don't have to mail books back that are RWP, especially when they are the WRONG book!! The Help Center clearly says you are under no obligation to do so. But, to let them get away with breaking the rules by totally sending the wrong ISBN, is wrong also. The system will weed out senders that don't follow the rules ONLY if the system is used. If everyone simply doesn't mark them RWP, then the system has no way of knowing to flag their account.

I'm sorry you are getting the wrong books, but you do need to remember too, that just because an ISBN was published as a trade sized, doesn't mean the same ISBN wasn't also used for the MMP. I've had such cases, so I know it happens. If it was a book I was concerned about the size of, I'd personally PM the sender if I didn't want to put up RCs.

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Date Posted: 4/9/2008 3:56 AM ET
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Kim, they do it by not looking at the ISBN, they post to the first edition of the title that they come to. And apparently then don't read the big box that comes up in their face telling them that the ISBN must match (or binding, or the guidelines).

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 12:27 PM ET
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Kim, if you still have more books like this to get I'd do as Sherry suggested and, after your book request is accepted, immediately pm the person and ask them to check the ISBN and size before sending.  Hopefully that will prevent your getting any more of the wrong books.  You shouldn't have to do that, but obviously a lot of people are just posting by title.

Diane

Date Posted: 4/9/2008 12:43 PM ET
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I was just baffled on why/how people were always posting books that have ISBNs on them incorrectly. Then I was browsing on some of the other sites and found FrugelReader and BookMooch both saying that if you did not find the book, to search for the closest one and post that. That was my ah-ah! moment- people on multiple sites are doing it this way because the other sites tell them too. Not that it bugs me any less or that I think people should follow the other sites rules and ignore the ones here that are right in their face, but it did give me better understanding of why people are doing this.

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Date Posted: 4/9/2008 12:43 PM ET
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The only other way I could think of to post the wrong isbn is if you ordered the book, and didn't notice you got the wrong isbn, and then reposted it when you were done.