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Subject: Frustrated with RCs
Date Posted: 10/16/2009 12:56 PM ET
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Ok, I know it's the right of the sender to have an RC but I'm so frustrated by the RCs that say they don't want books that are moldy or torn or have the covers missing. I understand the pain of receiving a book that doesn't meet PBS standards but hey, do you think that a person who would send a moldy book would care about your RC?

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 1:02 PM ET
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I figure they think it gives them a leg up if the book is bad. That said, my books move quickly enough that if the RC is terribly insulting, I just decline...figure the odds of a pleasant transaction have already declined enough to make it not worth my time/money/trouble.

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 1:55 PM ET
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I figure they think it gives them a leg up if the book is bad.

I think so too, because it's not only a non-postable book, but goes against the RC as well. Double strike.

Hopefully, one more way to weed out the bad traders even quicker.

Ok, I know it's the right of the sender to have an RC but I'm so frustrated by the RCs that say they don't want books that are moldy or torn or have the covers missing.

I have no idea why you should be frustrated. It's an RC. It's not aimed at you personally, especially with the FIFO system running. It takes half a second to read the RC, realize it's just restating the rules, and then accept. Which should be easy as long as your book meets the basic site standards. Sounds like a no-brainer, and not something worth getting frustrated over.

 

 

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 2:31 PM ET
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Maybe frustrated is the wrong word. All my books meet the conditions of the site. And I do know I can pass on RCs. I don't know, it just bugs me a little. I know it's not aimed at me personally but when you read it, it's kind of hard not to take it that way. While they didn't write for just me, they did write it so that each person who got it would stop and personally think about if it applied to them. But you are right, it's not a big deal in the scheme of things.

 

susan/vt

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 2:42 PM ET
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I think when people restate the posting guidelines it is usually born out of frustration.  

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 3:27 PM ET
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My thought on it is that a person trying to send junk is also going to try to avoid the people that are going to give them the most trouble for doing it. They will think someone with an RC is going to be picky and fight them, so they turn it down and send it to someone without RCs in hopes of finding someone who will not be looking too closely.

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 3:34 PM ET
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I'm more interested in trading the book and gaining a credit than I am in reading between the lines of an RC and stressing over it.  If my book passes the RC inspection, I'm happy to send it off and get the credit. 

That said, it is definitely your perogative to decline the RC and let it move to the next person in the FIFO line.

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 5:05 PM ET
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I think when people restate the posting guidelines it is usually born out of frustration. 

ditto

I can undertstand why some members reinstate the PBS guideline, many members do not read the guidelines and post non-postable books or they choose to ignore.  I am not offended, insulted, frustrated by someone re-instating the guidleines as long as it is restating and not babbling.   If my book meets the RC, I will send on for a credit and if not I will pass.  Just me.

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 5:39 PM ET
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I like getting the no mold RCs cause my books aren't moldy and I can happily accept!

I'm always disappointed by that cat one, though!

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 7:53 PM ET
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Sara, I got an RC requesting "no cat urine!"  I'm not kidding. Obviously, this wasn't an issue for my book, LOL, but it did make me wonder -  If a swapper would send a book which "reeks" of cat urine, would an RC stop 'em?!

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 9:02 PM ET
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I agree with Melanie.  Someone sending out junk books is less likely to try and pass one off to someone with an RC reiterating the posting guidelines because they know that person will be asking for their credit back instead of letting the unpostable go.

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 9:17 PM ET
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Well, just for the record, let me state I do not pass on RCs just because there is an RC. I read it and if my book passes, I send it along. All my books are postable so the only RCs I'm passing on are things like cats, or extra conditions like brand new.

susan/vt

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 10:52 PM ET
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I think the RCS that just reinstate the posting guidelines just move a bad sender on to the next person. But I will accept them if they aren't rude or or overly lengthy. 

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 11:02 PM ET
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My theory is that folks vent about bad past trades by writing RCs.  But I have to say, the tone of a RC will influence how I respond to it.  Write a lot of shoulds and demands?  Argh.  Ask for a favor?  Yum.

(And I have a RC.)

Date Posted: 10/16/2009 11:15 PM ET
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Some people collect books.

I am going to start collecting weird RCs. It'll be fun.

I'll start with that cat urine RC. That one's pretty weird.



Last Edited on: 10/17/09 2:46 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 10/17/2009 8:10 PM ET
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I got one today that was kind of weird--she asked that any books she get be over 300 pages long.  She went on to say she was a fast reader, and she checks descriptions, but they don't always have the number of pages.  She was requesting a mass-market paperback cozy so I thought it wasn't likely to be over 300 pages, but it just made it.  I've never seen that condition before.

Date Posted: 10/17/2009 9:02 PM ET
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Diane,

Yes, that qualifies as a weird RC. PBS book info tells us how many pages are in a particular book. See example below:

 

Publisher: Random House
Book Type: Paperback
On My: Bookshelf Transaction Archive
Rating:
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ISBN-13: 9780965187374 - ISBN-10: 0965187373
Pages:  474   <-----------------------------------------------------------see what I mean?

I think I'd be tempted to send her an FYI PM.



Last Edited on: 10/17/09 9:05 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 10/17/2009 9:06 PM ET
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You have to account for, what, 5-10 pages of teaser, title, and ads in the back of the book?  Sometimes an excerpt or two from another book but that'd account for 15-20 pages max.  So, why doesn't that person just make sure what they request is over 320 pages?

Yes, that is a weird RC and something they can certainly check out for themself.

Date Posted: 10/17/2009 10:07 PM ET
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Not all book listings have page totals. I've added it on quite a few books. And, if a book has multiple editions, its usually wrong, anyway.

Still a weird RC, though. I mean if the print is tiny and the book has 275 pages, is that really a shorter book than if the book has larger print and 320 pages, and they have made the line spacing larger? I can think of a few recently published "books" by very successful authors that really should have been considered too short to be published as full length novels costing $7.99 .... instead the publishers made it seem like a a full length novel by increasing the line spacing and point sizes ... ugh!

Date Posted: 10/17/2009 10:10 PM ET
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I understand that reposting PBS rules in an RC can be annoying, but I've been thinking of doing it. The reason is that I've been receiving a lot of stained books...mostly coffee stains on the pages which sometimes cause waviness. When asking for a refund, it's always the same response: "Mail it back to me and then I'll refund your point."

I'm more put off by members who feel the rules don't apply to them rather than by members who list RC's. If I know my books are postable, I don't let RC's bother me. 

Date Posted: 10/17/2009 10:21 PM ET
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I would have turned down that page # one just for it being annoying. If you don't wnat a short book then don't order one. If the info isn't on PBS it's not hard to find.  It's not my job to check it out for you. 

Date Posted: 10/17/2009 10:22 PM ET
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But some folks just list line after line of dense verbage.  If you are going to repost the guidelines, please be polite or funny or well spaced.  Not just line after line of "must have" or "should".  You are asking me for the favor to spend my time reading your RC.  Don't insult me or yell at me while asking for a favor.

That said.  I really hate that "Mail it back to me for refund" bull.  

Date Posted: 10/18/2009 12:16 AM ET
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"Not all book listings have page totals."

Very true.  The requestor can go to Amazon to find this information too:

 

Reading level: Young Adult 

Hardcover: 400 pages  <-------------------------------------------------------Amazon is pretty good at listing the number of pages.

Publisher: Scholastic Press; 1 edition (September 1, 2009)

Language: English

ISBN-10: 0439023491

ISBN-13: 978-0439023498

Product Dimensions: 8.3 x 5.8 x 1.5 inches

Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds   <-----Hey! I never noticed this! This is pretty handy info for us PBSers.

 

 

 

 

"I would have turned down that page # one just for it being annoying."

I know, I know, so tempting.



Last Edited on: 10/18/09 12:20 AM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 10/18/2009 8:58 AM ET
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Amazon's information is not always correct, you may want to confirm the information with other sites such as powellbooks.com; half.com; or fantastic fiction.com

Date Posted: 10/18/2009 11:22 AM ET
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I would not spend time investigating if the book I had was listed with the correct page # (not a guarantee anyway with reissues) and if it was listed on any other site as having less pages than the 300 or whatever was in the RC. They can do that themselves if it's than important to them. I might except if it was a book that could not be done in less pages than that-something thick.

As far as the restating guidelines-it's all in how it's worded to me. If the RCS are rude, demanding or just really long-decline.  If it's just a "hey I've gotten a lot of bad books lately-please make sure your book meets the PBS Guidelines" well then I would have accepted those. 

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