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Subject: George Martin "Fire and Ice" trilogy ?
Date Posted: 1/4/2009 11:33 AM ET
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I usually love the epic fantasies, so when I saw "Clash of Kings" at a yard sale I picked it up, even though it was the second of a series.

I am almost finished, but I have had real problems with it. It just did not grab me. Maybe too many characters to keep straight? Too much I did not understand? If I read the first book, would that help?

This reaction really puzzles me, because it's the kind I usually devour. But the connection never developed.....

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Date Posted: 1/4/2009 11:39 AM ET
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I very highly recommend reading the series in order.  I don't see how you could understand anything at all without reading the first book...but then, I'm a real stickler for reading series in the original publication order.  Anyway, I am not generally into sword&sorcery type fantasy, but I was really drawn into this series - I read all four back to back this past summer and I'm looking forward to number five, if it ever gets finished.

Date Posted: 1/4/2009 9:15 PM ET
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This book had much, much less "sorcery" than most such fantasies I see; that's one reason I liked it----and maybe a reason why you do!

It seemed more realistic, albeit being set in an imaginary land. But there was very little magic, other than the dragons, IMHO.....

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Date Posted: 1/5/2009 8:12 PM ET
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Ah, you really do need to read the whole series, then :-p

Date Posted: 1/6/2009 2:54 PM ET
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OK, today I got the first one at the library. Hopefully this will help! I'm really in the mood for this after holidays, but it's hard for me to find fantasy I like. Charles De LInt is best for me, but I've got all his.

Date Posted: 1/7/2009 5:36 PM ET
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I can't imagine reading this series out of order.  It's hard enough keeping everything straight while reading it in order.  I would recommend, though, if you're going to start over from the beginning to get a notebook and take notes.  I know it sounds silly for a novel, but you'll be greatful you did when you're waiting forever for the next book, and you forget everything. 

I wish I had done it from the beginning, but when I started, I just had a page for each character, and jotted down a couple sentences with what happened in each chapter. 

ETA:  As a warning, I think A Game of Thrones starts out really slow--probably the first 50 (or maybe 100, I can't remember) pages. 



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Date Posted: 1/10/2009 10:26 PM ET
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This is a great series of books. You do need to start at the beginning to understand almost everything. A notebook is a good idea but Martin did include a glossary of people and how things kind of go together at the back of each book. I found that looking in the back helped me keep things straight. I think you will enjoy it, especially the ending of A Game of Thrones. Let me know what you thought of the ending.

Date Posted: 2/28/2009 2:42 PM ET
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So, did reading out of order ruin the whole experience? Did you enjoy the second book retroactively when you finished the first? One thing to guard yourself about is the fourth book should have been out a year ago. I think George got himself painted into a corner and can't get out.
Date Posted: 3/1/2009 8:35 PM ET
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I think the fourth book is out, and the pub date announced for the fifth book is Sept. 2009...

These are in my TBR pile.  And I think I'll read them in order! ;)

Date Posted: 3/1/2009 10:10 PM ET
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Wow...I must have pulled a Rip Van Winkle! I've got A Game of Thrones (signed), Clash of Kings, and A Feast of Crows (also signed). What was the fourth? Ah there it is, Storm of Swords. I guess it was really the third.

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Date Posted: 3/1/2009 10:34 PM ET
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I'm definitely not trusting that publication date of Sept. 2009 for the next book.  Until he has something on his website saying the book is finished, those publication dates will just keep on moving back.  I don't know why they even bother trying to guess anymore with those dates.  LOL

Date Posted: 3/2/2009 7:18 AM ET
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Brenda, I agree!  I checked the pub. date about two weeks earlier, and I swear it said April 09!  Then...bam, September.  I think it's just the universe helping me to get the first four read before #5 comes out!

Bob: "pulled a Rip Van Winkle"--I like that! LOL...Right, I think Feast of Crows is #4. 

Date Posted: 3/2/2009 2:59 PM ET
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I sometimes think I should do a re-read while I'm waiting, but then I bet I'll finish and still wait forever and forget everything I read.  Then I'd have to do another re-read.

Date Posted: 3/2/2009 7:39 PM ET
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I sometimes think I should do a re-read while I'm waiting, but then I bet I'll finish and still wait forever and forget everything I read.  Then I'd have to do another re-read.

Now see, that is exactly what has happened with me and Jean Auel.  Grrr....

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Date Posted: 3/2/2009 8:09 PM ET
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I hardly ever reread books...I guess my memory is too good :-p  On the other hand, I read the first four back to back, so it was like one super-long continuous story.  This break is already annoying.

Date Posted: 3/3/2009 10:31 AM ET
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My memory is anything but good.  I read the books so long ago that I barely remember anything about them.  I remember bits and pieces about the characters, but that's pretty much it.

Date Posted: 3/24/2009 8:31 PM ET
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I read these books over a year ago and loved them.  Now I barely remember them... although I do remember bits and pieces.  The last book  (Was it "Feast for Crows"?) only had half the characters in it... so some characters (a lot of my faves included!!) I haven't read about in EONS. I remember reading when Feast for Crows came out that he had written one huge book that was chopped in half... feast for Crows being the first half (with half the considerable cast of characters) and Dance with Dragons (due out this fall?) would have the other half of the characters.  But that must have been wrong since it has taken WAY too long for Dance with Dragons to come out for it to have been anywhere near ready that long ago.  Oh well.. And there are supposed to be 7 or 8 books in this series???  I hope he writes a little faster! 

BTW anyone going through a George R.R. Martin withdrawal: I recently read a standalone book of his "Fevre Dream" which was really really excellent.  Rev'd it on PBS if curious.  Vamps, Steamboats, Slavery in South... nothing like Song of Ice and Fire... but still so well written. 

Anyway!

Bye!

Date Posted: 3/25/2009 8:49 AM ET
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I will probably do a re-read before the next one comes out, assuming it ever does!

Date Posted: 3/26/2009 12:28 PM ET
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OP reports back....

Wow, what a ride. I am soooooo in love with these books. I got smart: I read the first one, then re-read the second one, and so on---but reading in order is essential. I did not mind re-reading the second one, because it made so much more sense. Even reading in order, I still regularly checked his "outlines" of families/characters' connections. Now I have pre-ordered his new one on Amazon, which says Sept. 09, but not sure if I believe it.

I wish I could find more like this, but the ones I've looked at just don't do it. I checked out some of his recommended authors he lists on his web site. . I did not like any of the fantasy, but did find one great historical fiction author: David Ball.

Writers like this and Tolkien astound me....how do they ever think of this stuff??!!???!!

Date Posted: 3/26/2009 2:18 PM ET
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I'm eagerly awaiting the next book myself.  I read the first one when it first came out, and the wait seems to have gotten longer with each book *sigh*

I would heartily reccommend Kate Elliot's "Crown Of Stars" (King's Dragon is the first book) to anyone who likes "Fire And Ice".  There at least 6 intertwining story lines and it can be a little overwhelming but it is extremely well written.  The human society is loosely based on French medieval society, and the elven society seems to be loosley based on Mayan society, of all things.  Their magic system is astrological/elemental, their religious system is somewhat akin to Catholicism (but with some really interesting twists) and there is the added element of the Rockchildren who have no epic fantasy equivalent that I can find.  Definitely a good read

Date Posted: 3/27/2009 10:54 PM ET
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gonna check out "Crown of Stars"  yours is the second recommend I have heard about it!

 

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 10:56 AM ET
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I, too, am going through Song of Ice and Fire withdrawl.............it's been too long! When I come across one of the books in my bookshelf i caresses it longingly awaiting the next arrival........I think I read somewhere that the next in the series was too large and it was to be broken into two books.... does anyone know the story??

Date Posted: 3/30/2009 6:59 PM ET
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Kristen-- what little I know of it is in my post (look 5 posts above this one)

Date Posted: 3/31/2009 3:51 PM ET
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http://grrm.livejournal.com/tag/dance+with+dragons  Here's the latest info from his blog about A Dance With Dragons.  The last update was in February.

Date Posted: 3/31/2009 5:42 PM ET
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Thanks Brenda!  And Aaaarghhh!  No Sansa?  And we are not only waiting for A Dance with Dragons but for who knows how long for the next one?  I can't stand it!  Sigh.

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