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Subject: Gosh! We are bad kids around this forum! j/k!
Date Posted: 5/6/2008 3:41 PM ET
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I was just over at the book bazaar and had noticed earlier that someone posted a request for a bunch of wl'd books since she had credits to spare. I didn't think much of it as I did have several she wanted but hadn't read them yet. Anyway as I viewed the last post that someone made to her, they were pointing out the rules of not jumping the line for wl'd books. lol  Since we do that all the time around here it caught my notice, plus I see posts requesting wl'd books all the time around the forums.

I would rather swap with you all around here since we are familiar with each other so I will always post if I have a wl'd book that fits in this category. I see nothing wrong with it myself and do this in other forums as well. It's a bonus for making friends and getting involved around here. :D

What does everyone else think about this? Is it bad to jump the wl line?



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Date Posted: 5/6/2008 3:49 PM ET
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Those rules about WL lines were made to be broken, IMO.  That's what friends are for.  If we get WL books sooner by networking with friends, then good for us.  Perhaps one of the System Administrators might take exception to "jumping the line."   Personally, I don't. 

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 3:50 PM ET
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I saw that the other day too, and it made me wonder.  Maybe this is splitting hairs, but...the rules in the Book Bazaar state that those kinds of things are not allowed.  This is not the BB.  Right??

I don't know- I understand the spirit of the rule, however, they DO allow posting to others' WLs, so they know that is going to occur.  I would hate to not be able to do this here.  I have gotten some great WL books here, but what I like even more than that is being able to post my WL books to someone that I know is going to accept them and not leave it hanging for 48 hours, then get passed to the next in line to do the same thing.

Lesley

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 3:50 PM ET
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This is what the rules have to say: they describe how you can post directly to someone's list and then say, "We hope that members do not do this too often, as FIFO is really the fairest way of swapping books, but they are YOUR books, and we wanted to offer this option to members who wished to use it."

So as far as I can see, there's nothing wrong in what we do here. It's a perk of being a more commited member, ie. one who spends time communicating with other members. 

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 3:59 PM ET
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It's a perk of being a more commited member, ie. one who spends time communicating with other members.

Willa, that is something I was thinking too, just didn't quite know how to articulate.  I think the site benefits from those of us who are active members.  Why shouldn't we use this little perk?

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 4:07 PM ET
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What I like best in this group is that those who *get* WL books also *give* them.  No one takes advantage of this opportunity (that I can tell) without sharing their goodies, too :)

Katrina

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 4:53 PM ET
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This is the PaperBack Swap.   And that is generally what I do.   I like erotic romance, which is hard to find.  Generally I swap titles one for one with others who like the same stuff I do!   I could post them FIFO, but who knows how long it would take to get some good titles in return.  But I will say, if I get a title FIFO, I generally post it back that way.   But if its a title I bought, why can't I post it to a buddy?

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 4:57 PM ET
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I would fell guilty if I didn't offer up wl'd books after getting them here. Everyone is wonderful about that.

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 5:22 PM ET
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Like BetsyP, I tend to post the books I get from the FIFO system back into it, or if I have a pal who desperately wants it, I will place one of the WL books I have purchased into the FIFO system to try and keep all things even.  I also try to place about half the books I purchase and then post into the FIFO just to help keep the wishlists moving.  The other half I offer up to buddies or place them on my profile with a note in my signature to check out the WL books I am moving out.  For me, there is a finacial benefit to offering WL books to buddies or board readers, as I frequently have one person take two or three books and so I save on postage.

Oh, I also have a few buddies that I loan books off of my keeper shelf to (and they loan my direction as well), we just pay the postage to return the books back to the original owner.  It's a great way to read some of the books on my WL without waiting for them or using a credit.  Obviously, I only do this with people I feel will return my books after reading them and would replace them if they spilled a cup of coffee on them or some such.  Most of these people were PBS'ers I had swapped with before I started loaning.

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 5:41 PM ET
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I think it's fair to jump the line if you're lucky enough to have a crew that you swap with, then so be it.  However, your friends don't always have the book you want anyway, and that's where the FIFO comes in to play.  It's really needed.

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 6:07 PM ET
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This has been mentioned before (I think on CMT or maybe even here?), where someone actually said they thought it was unfair because they "didn't hang out on the forums all day" and weren't in "the club to get those special offers"--or something to that effect.   As best I recall, general consensus was people would rather offer the book(s) to someone they know will accept it, so deal.  I think most of us have posted WL books into the FIFO system at one time as well as offering them up here, so I think it all evens out. 

Oh, I also have a few buddies that I loan books off of my keeper shelf to (and they loan my direction as well), we just pay the postage to return the books back to the original owner.

As you know Rebecca, I've also done this Read and Return with a few other members, and it's worked out well.  You get to read books you'd either have to buy or wait eons for 'cos most of them are heavily WL'd, and it's also helped me decide some that I MUST HAVE and those that were good and I liked them but don't feel the need now to own them, thus paring down my massive WL here.

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 6:10 PM ET
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I agree- we're not setting out to rip off people in the FIFO line (believe me, I'm in a whole lot of them, phew...) it's just nice that sometimes we offer books that we know the readers in this forum will enjoy. It's also nice because this is such a great community that most likely it will get accepted quickly- I had one wishlist book posted with about 60 people in line and it timed out with 2 people before I could ship it. :\ If someone quickly claims a wishlisted book here- you KNOW they *want* it, and will probably accept quickly :)

I split my romance/paranormal reading between books that are wishlisted by members here and books on the AAR top 100, people are so generous that I actually enjoy being able to post them the few times I have them.

I think the set-up in the book bazaar is different- it's only about deals, there isn't socializing there like there is here. The person wasn't offering anything either, just asking people to give them wishlisted books right away since they could "afford'" them with credits (I'm assuming), which  I think is a little different. Not bad, just a completely different situation. I think we're still a little naughty though. ;)

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 7:15 PM ET
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My book, I can post it to a buddy if I want to.  I'd rather post it to someone here that I know will accept it quickly.

I do post WL books into the FIFO too, usually if it's a smaller WL.  If there's less than 10 people on WL, what're the odds that it's someone here?  I usually don't have many WL books anyway.

I've requested one or two things from the WL thread a posted a few things myself.  It evens out and PBS allows us to post to someone's WL so it's okay with them too.

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 7:40 PM ET
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If you don't mind my asking, how do you post a wish listed book directly to someone else? Thanks.

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 7:57 PM ET
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You go to that person's WL page and use the "post this book" link on there.  It will let you know you're posting the book directly to that person.

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 9:40 PM ET
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I'm of pretty much the same mind about it as everyone else seems to be.  For one thing, we're not really dodging anything that PBS isn't going to be circumventing themselves when the new WL system goes into effect.  That's going to shake FIFO up anyway, and WL books are going to start going out more in order of priority to the requestor, rather than an FIFO place in line.  I think that's basically what we already have in place here.  Nobody is claiming WL books that aren't a priority for them to get with the way we do it.  I've bypassed book offers here that I have on WL, simply because I knew they were a higher priority for someone else from this group, and that they'd more than likely be made available again pretty soon anyway.  I've seen others do that as well.  I don't know about anyone else, but I don't bypass anything on a PBS WL offer, unless I just bought the book and I forgot to take it off my WL.  Plus, whoever pointed this out - we've got  a system going here that totally eliminates rollovers.  I don't think the significance of that can be stressed enough.  Just for the headaches and irritation it saves people, if nothing else;  I actually offer more wishlisted books this way than I would with FIFO, because I know they're going to be accepted & go out pretty quickly once the book is posted to whoever. 

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 10:00 PM ET
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Lots of interesting replies!  Here's my thing:  As long as PBS allows a direct post to someone's WL - to me that's the green light okaying it.  Its MY book - I can post it or not post it at will.

As far as being part of "the club" on the forums - well, riddle me this:  isn't that what the forums are for?  To meet and swap with like minded readers?  How many times have you posted in the Book Bazaar and got burned?  or the Box of Books?  I know if I send a book to say Lori or Eileen or Fedora or any number of other L&R ladies, I'm going to get my credit AND make someone happy, someone who will remember me perhaps when I mention a certain book I'm looking for.

I also know I can trust the L&R ladies for an honest review of what they've read.  I can't tell you how many times I've read a review on a book that gushed and raved over the storyline and when I read it, it reeked.  I think alot of times people don't say what they really felt about a book because they think they might be stuck with it, so they "embellish" their review.

Sherri

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 10:22 PM ET
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Sherri, given what has happened with the Amazon reviews lately, I would definitely agree- the reviews from everyone here are worth gold anymore.

Lesley

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 10:52 PM ET
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That's why I always try to review - even if it's brief.  I do that as much as possible in the What are we reading threads too.  It's just information sharing.  Somebody said networking above there somewhere.  That's how I view this forum, and the WL offers, reviews, etc.  We're a romance lovers network, and we take time to help each other find and obtain good books. 

Date Posted: 5/6/2008 11:49 PM ET
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well I only offer wishlisted books that I wouldn't post otherwise. and most who post on the 2 threads we have started are 'is this book on your bookshelf' which wouldn't be a wishlisted book because it wouldn't be on the shelf then....and 'is this on your wishlist' means the owner of the book is asking if anyone wnts the wishlisted book...just saves us the time of clicking on everyone's wishlist IMO!

Date Posted: 5/7/2008 6:37 AM ET
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I've kept out of this one, mainly since I'm a Tour Guide, I don't want whatever I say to be taken as something from PBS themselves. However I do have to say that you all brought up some valid points, and I have to agree with some of them... 



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Date Posted: 5/7/2008 7:49 AM ET
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I had wondered about this myself.  I had pm'd one of the tourguides to ask whether we would still be able to post books to a buddy's WL after the WL changes go into effect.  She said "yes."  Obviously, if this were completely verboten, they wouldn't continue to allow it as an option.    I'm sure they do hope that the majority of members use the WL FIFO system, but understand that some of us want to share books with friends.  

I believe the point is that If EVERYONE were exchanging WL books only with buddies, the WL system would be obsolete and useless.  Personally, I don't see small groups of users such as the R&L forum exchanging WL books as being a problem. 

Date Posted: 5/7/2008 7:49 AM ET
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Someone posted they loan books out.cant' remmber who.but I dont' post very much since i have trouble parting with books (though I need to change this attachment!) but I also don't mind sharing with people i 'know' here. I sent out one book that went through about 3 people then came back.

Date Posted: 5/7/2008 9:47 AM ET
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I love that we can post directly!  LOVE IT.  And I love that I discovered this forum and discovered that ability through this forum.  I love discovering new authors that have long WLs and having generous people here who give me a chance to try books out sooner rather than later.

Date Posted: 5/7/2008 2:11 PM ET
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Susan - absolutely! I never would have discovered Lora Leigh or Gennita Low on my own - I heard about them here.

Sherri

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