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Subject: Goverment not is not God and shouldnt be!
Date Posted: 5/26/2010 12:38 AM ET
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I'am so tired of our country being influence so much by Religion. The Texas school text book  revisions were scary at best. All of us with varying religious belief should be beside ourselves over the turn in the evangelicals and there influence in Goverment I mean no offence to you if that is your choice but it's not everybodys and no religion should have a place in a Goverment that is meant to serve us all . I think France has the right idea when it comes to religion .

Date Posted: 5/26/2010 3:46 PM ET
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Heather,

Just like you I am very concerned about the growing influence of radical evangelist/christian movements taking over and demanding blind faith to override scientific facts.  I grew up in Europe where altering a book to adjust it to the belief system of one group of worshippers was totally unthinkable.

Unfortunately I see this trend becoming stronger in the USA and it makes me believe that Margaret Atwoods " Handmaid's Tale'  was not so much a fiction but forecasting the future. 

But what can we 'unbelievers' do? We are silenced by the very vocal moral minority.

If you don't like what is in the school books, then home-school your child.  But do not force your opinion on others.

 

Date Posted: 5/28/2010 5:25 PM ET
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I have to say that this is a scary, growing trend in many areas of life. This happened at BCT for the Army, where they had an "optional" spirit run that involved a leisurely pace and chaplains throwing hard edge fire and brimestone at you with a large prayer and sermon at the end, or the other "fair" option of a 5 mile hard out run with duties afterwards. If you want to see true religious discrimination, look within our armed forces. There are marked cases of promotional opportunities being held up, members assigned "special" duties if not in line with the "optional" sermons, and those who attend regular service always happening to not do barrack duties.

Date Posted: 5/30/2010 4:31 AM ET
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Lol...I find it ironic that we are to the point that we are discussing homeschooling in order to protect children from junk science and distortion of the religious beliefs of "the founding fathers".  Seriously, in order to protect the value of education I have to teach them at home now?  *grumbles* stupid Texas.

Date Posted: 6/3/2010 3:23 PM ET
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Not sure I understood what Sheena meant with her comment.   Maybe I should clarify what I meant with my home-schooling remark.

If ultra-conservative christians do not like what is taught in school books as far as creationism versus evolution, then the supporters of the creationism idea should home-school.  For years now certain religious groups have not allowed their children to be poisoned by modern science and society.

I think that the school books should keep on showing the modern science and not be tainted by religious beliefs.  Because in my opinion religion is a belief based system, you have to have faith.  Preferrably the correct  and rightful faith. 

I hope that clarifes my point of view.  I never said the free-thinkers should home-school.

Now I am really wondering if I totally misunderstood Sheena.

I also have to agree to what Montana said about the military.. When my son was in the Air Force he noticed the same situation and even though he is not religious, while he was in basic training he would attend church services just so he could get  a little bit of rest.  I just doesn't seem fair, and it scares me because I know from german history what can happen when the church starts to bless the canons and guns.



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Date Posted: 6/7/2010 1:03 PM ET
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I agree that the religious (meaning primarily evangelical christian) influence in American schools is scary ... but I DO NOT agree that France has got the right idea. What France is doing is basicaly denying personal freedom of expression in order force all individuals to fit a government model of what a French Citizen should be, how they should dress, etc.

I actually think that France's new legislation calling for the banning of particualr types of head scarves in public is a HUGE step backward for freethinking and reason. If you completely prohibit a person from expressing their beliefs, it stiffles the exchange of ideas, which stiffles the flow of information - which is the basis on which we make our decisions. Not to mention, it now gives those in favor of religous headscarves a huge persucussion/martyr complex. Once you start to tell people what relgious paraphenalia they cannot wear, you basically just make them want to wear it even more. It's human psychonolgy. I mean think about it. If the US suddenly banned Hasidic jews from wearing beards and yarmukles, for example, that would be an enormous human rights violoation.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Date Posted: 6/15/2010 2:27 AM ET
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Let me clarify about France I like the fact that religion is not in there schools I read a  story about it as far as religion.I feel like we are going backwards instead of forward our children when they go out into College or if they choose to study abroad  are going to be at a big disadvantage I just see religious concepts stopping progress, If you don't want your children to believe in the THEORY of evolution teach them at home about divine creation . I think the religious people should build a school and teach THEIR children all these religious agendas instead of in our public   schools having to teaching their agenda to OUR children  .I'm glad my children are out of  school and already in College the irony is my youngest son and his girlfriend are planning to become teachers but both refuse to teach anything based on religion they already went through the period when Kansas wanted to quit teaching evolution and they were appalled knowing its taught in theory most every where else.Lets hope the tide turns if I had a child in school and was paying taxes and tuition I would throw a fit if it was being skewed by any sort of religious theology

                                           



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Date Posted: 6/15/2010 10:40 AM ET
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Heather, oh I understand. I completely agree. Religion has no place being taught in public schools.

Date Posted: 7/27/2010 3:46 AM ET
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well as long as we are in the 'free-thinkers' discussion forum, i'd like to point out that there are other options than just those two.

why does it have to come down to 'evolution' or 'creationism'? the possibilities of where we came from and why we're here are endless. why is it we must decide between these two paradigms and then shake our fists at each other? i personally don't see any evidence for either one of them. there is much more compelling evidence in other schools of thought.  so why is it we must fight over these two? it's like democrats vs. the republicans. you join one group and then fight with the other group for the rest of your life. well i don't like either of them, so i refuse to play the game.

those who set up this game for us to play, benefit from us fighting with each other because that allows them a free hand to do whatever they want with out us noticing them stealing all our money, raping and pillaging the peasants (that's us) etc.

Date Posted: 7/30/2010 8:39 PM ET
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The reason Im mad is because they want to put religious teaching in our school books where children of endless faiths learn and it is not fair to push that religious theroy off on children. Maybe evolution isnt right either but its not a therory that comes from a bible.You should be taught biblical teaching. at church not school thats my  problem. If you give an inch they will take a mile

Date Posted: 8/1/2010 4:52 AM ET
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heather, i love your quotes(morrison & mcgovern).  AND i agree with you on the school thing, NO religion should be pushed on to children (especially when considering the amount of death and destruction and intolerance as related to religions), however... the history of where religions come from and the basic teachings should be allowed as an elective if a student wished to pursue it,...  but it should be an honest evaluation of all religions throughout the history of the world, and should include 'evolution' because that is also a religion (- like it or not).

i don't mean to shift gears here, but on the school subject, i think the most important and valuable thing (for the good of society as a whole) to teach children would be how to identify people with psychopathic traits (psychopathy). if everyone understood this from an early age on, we would be living in a very different type of society today.