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Subject: HANDING book to a postal worker
Date Posted: 8/22/2007 8:28 PM ET
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Okay...I understand that you MUST take 13oz+ items to a real live postal worker (what? not a dead one?) at the PO & not drop it off in your mailbox...or blue box.

Since the whole point is to make sure the PO knows who is sending it...as opposed to an anonymous person,
IF YOU ARE HANDING IT TO THE GUY/GAL PICKING UP THE MAIL or the mail person coming to pick up mail at an office, is that not okay? He (in our case) will see who is sending what mail.

Date Posted: 8/23/2007 8:09 AM ET
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From what I understand (emphasis on I mind you) anything 13 oz or more must have traceable/trackable postage.  Even if you take it to the PO and give it to someone you know, they must add a trackable postage sticker there.  (At my PO they printed out one for $0.00 and put it below the stamps.)  If you use APC, Stamps.com, PayPal, postage meter postage - anything traceable and it's under 1 pound, you can still mail from home, blue boxes etc.  As before, anything 1 pound or more must be mailed at the PO counter.

So, handing it to the postal carrier won't work as this issue is the trackable postage, not if they know you.  Hope this helps : )

Date Posted: 8/23/2007 9:33 AM ET
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I didn't think it had to have traceable postage but I won't say that it doesn't.  I thought I read that you could hand it to a postal worker but didn't have to stand in line.  If that is the case, how would they know to trace it to you specifically?  Unless the postal worker is adding the traceable stamp after you walk away.

I use the APC for all of my postage  plus I rarely send books that are more than 13 oz.  makes life so much easier!

Date Posted: 8/23/2007 10:57 AM ET
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At my post office, they have an area at the end of the postal counter to leave packages.  She said that since they have a camera installed there watching that area, it is "like" handing it to a person.  I suspect that each post office might be different though, so you can ask about the options at each one.  I also use a one horse post office that only has one person and I have to hand it to her in person because there is not other option there.

Date Posted: 8/23/2007 1:10 PM ET
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Hmmm I mailed one yesterday with first class postage but I marked that it was a book on the front and dropped it off in a blue drop off box thing outside my work.  We'll see if it gets to its intended destination...and i'll let you guys know if it does. =)

Keri

Date Posted: 8/23/2007 6:44 PM ET
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I'd like to know HOW the postal worker who drops off your mail at your box KNOWS the package you left for them  to pick up is over 13 oz???? Do they have a scale in their bag?  My daughter had one on the mail box and she got it back...actually it never left, and I weighed it, curious to see how much  over it was......14.2 oz!

Date Posted: 8/23/2007 11:30 PM ET
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Well, right before I put in my original question, I handed the book to a postal worker AT WORK that was 14.2 oz. I just got credit so it arrived safely. Maybe I got lucky? I dunno.

And when I do go to the PO to drop off books, I do just drop it off without waiting. (I just look at the nice lady, say "I'm just dropping it off." She smiles at me and nods her head to her left. I put it on the counter and leave.)

If anyone knows of a definitive answer to being able to hand a heavy book (13+oz) to a postal worker when he/she comes to drop off your mail, I'd be grateful!

 

Date Posted: 8/24/2007 6:49 AM ET
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If you use APC, Stamps.com, PayPal, postage meter postage - anything traceable and it's under 1 pound, you can still mail from home, blue boxes etc.  As before, anything 1 pound or more must be mailed at the PO counter.

If you're using the above to mail and the book is over 1 pound you can blue box them. They don't need to be brought to the PO counter.

Date Posted: 8/24/2007 9:28 AM ET
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I don't work for the USPS, but here's the answer: http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/2007/pr07_058.htm

Because there was an existing rule about packages with stamps, and because of the "trackable postage" exception, many people, including some USPS employees, think this is about being a "Known Shipper", as under the previous 16 oz limit.

Regrettably, it's not. There is no "known shipper" exception. You can drop off a package with stamps if it's under 13 oz. If your pkg is more than 13 oz, you must a) hand it to a postal clerk, or b) use trackable postage (APC label, Paypal, Stamps.com, a postage meter)

There is no wiggle room here, folks. Your carrier may still be picking up stamped mail over 13 oz. It doesn't make it right. You're enticing them into helping you break the new rule. For whatever reason, the FAA has required the new rule. If it detects a pattern of violations, it can stop the USPS from sending ANY mail by air. None of us wants that.

It's  a PITA for us, it's a PITA for them. Search the archives and read about Steve's first day after the new rule went into effect. This rule is not something the USPS made up to make your life more difficult. Don't like it? Complain where it matters. Here's the https://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-bin/hdusps.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?p_sid=gU*5sYJi&p_accessibility=0&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD05NDEmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0 for the email form at the USPS site. Call 1-800-ASK-USPS and complain about the new rule. Call your legislators - the USPS is no longer a federal agency, but it's subject to congressional oversight - and the FAA IS a government agency. Work to get the rule changed - just don't break it in the meantime.

Sorry for the rant :~) I'm not really ranting, just running off at the mouth...

 

Date Posted: 8/28/2007 12:55 PM ET
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So has anyone come up with a way to mail 13oz plus that does not either entail spending extra money or standing in line at the PO?

Or is the best course to just remove all my books that would weigh too much after wrapping?

Date Posted: 8/28/2007 1:18 PM ET
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OK, it does appear that PayPal shipping may be the way to go. For some reason they do charge delivery confirmation whether you want it or not, but the price isn't hat much different. Their shipping page is, I can verify impossible to find by navigating yourself, so thanks to the folks who found the links. I don't know how to make a link here, so just go look at the "paypal shipping" topics here on the forums.

Whew! I was about ready to cancel PBS because of that new PITA form USPS/FAA. I could rant about the ridiculous stupidity and wastefulness of that 13 oz. rule for a while, but you guys probably wouldn't appreciate it.

But it would be good if we could somehow get together and create some kind of petition to submit to the agencies and Congress to get it changed, rather than just one inaudible voice at a time asking for repeal. Ideas, anyone?

Date Posted: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM ET
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Bret, how about buying a whole bunch of stamps from the APC?  You don't have to pay for DC or wait in a long line to hand in your book.  My preferred method is buying metered stamps from my office, even though the accounting guy hates it because he has to reconcile petty cash and is more work for him.  But it sure is convenient for me :).

Date Posted: 8/28/2007 9:16 PM ET
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I buy my postage at the automated postal center at my post office.  I only pay the cost of postage, I can go any time convenient for me (even after the post office is closed) and I don't have to worry about weight limits.  All it takes is an ATM or credit card.  So convenent!

Date Posted: 8/29/2007 8:23 AM ET
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We will soon be able to pay and print postage from right here at PBS, so this whole hassle will be gone soon! Yay!

Date Posted: 9/6/2007 5:48 PM ET
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I just printed out my first label from PBS *with postage* for a hardback book weighing almost 2 pounds.

It's a dream come true! Works perfect. costs about the same, no hassles with the PO, how can you beat it?

Thanks sooooo much, PBS!!!!

Date Posted: 9/6/2007 7:24 PM ET
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Mary, thanks so much for posting that link!  My carrier seems to think that she shouldn't be picking up anything over 13 oz from my box, even though she always did before.  Our assistant postmaster didn't know for sure.  The postmaster was on vacation.  It's a very small post office.  I will include a copy of that press release and hope  that makes it clear.  I think it's kind of amusing that I'm educating them on their own policies, but I recognize that they have a lot of things they're supposed to suddenly understand and they need some time to get up to speed.

Date Posted: 9/6/2007 11:51 PM ET
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You can give a parcel to a carrier... but they might no like their bag getting heavier! lol
Date Posted: 9/7/2007 2:28 PM ET
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Giving an over-13-oz parcel bearing only stamps to a carrier does not work -- there is no surveillance photo or credit card number that can be traced back to you.

If you use PBS postage, Paypal or other online-bought postage, or APC stamps, they can still pick them up, though.

Date Posted: 9/7/2007 7:33 PM ET
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It is a shame you have to educate the postal employees on this Amanda but it happens.  Electronic DC is still and issue but I'm surprise about the 13oz thing.

They are really hammering us with this.  I have to watch another video on it next week.  They have given us more training on this then they did the rate increase and that's a shame.

T. -
Date Posted: 9/8/2007 12:42 AM ET
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I think it is a BS rule myself---if someone REALLY wants to mail a bomb or something what's stopping them from putting on a disguise and using a stolen credit card or a disposable credit card at the APC?  Isn't this another one of the governments "Look, we are doing something to protect you" feel good policies which cost tons of money in time and labor, but really offers NO protection at all???  What about stuff like Anthrax or other virus/bacterial stuff?  That stuff doesn't weigh much--so how is the government protecting the public from that?  Just another wasteful load of crap that we, the public have to put up with to have a false sense of security. 

Date Posted: 9/8/2007 7:50 PM ET
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you are not charged extra to use the APC at the post office

Date Posted: 9/11/2007 9:29 AM ET
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OK - this might be a completely dumb question but how does me walking into a post office and handing them a package make it any less anonymous?  They still have no clue who I am. 

 

 

Date Posted: 9/11/2007 10:02 AM ET
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I have a good deal worked out at my office.  (I have a desk job at a public school in a small town.)  I have a small postage scale, I weigh my packages, and put the proper amount of postage on them.  (I order stamps from www.usps.gov.)  I stick them in the mailbox in front of the school.  The mailman knows me (because he is forever delivering packages to me) and takes the packages out of the mailbox because he know I am a pastor and not a terrorist.  This makes it very convenient!

So, I think that the whole key here is getting to know your mail carrier, so that they are aware of what you are doing with PBS.  Hopefully, they will be happy to pick up your books out of your mailbox when they understand what you are up to.

 

Date Posted: 9/11/2007 10:28 AM ET
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Brenda - there is probably a security camera that records everyone who comes in the PO - just a guess on my part!

Date Posted: 9/11/2007 4:53 PM ET
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Yep, you're on camera at the PO. And John, if your books hit that magic 13 oz. number, they have to be taken to the PO counter to be handed to a postal clerk if you're using stamps. Knowing your letter carrier isn't enough anymore.

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