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Subject: HEAVIER BOOKS
Date Posted: 2/9/2013 5:00 PM ET
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Hi,

I have one book that is 2.1 lbs and the other 2.2 lbs, is there an arena I could ask 2 credits for the books to compensate for the higher postage?  These are wish-listed books.

thanks in advance!

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 5:09 PM ET
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All books are just one credit. There is the wishlisted multiples thread in the book bazaar if you want to send books together to save on postage. http://www.paperbackswap.com/FEBRUARY-2013-Wishlist-Multiples/topic/275973/ .



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Date Posted: 2/9/2013 5:17 PM ET
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You can request multi book orders to help offset postage costs Gail, Rebecca has linked an appropriate Book Bazaar thread.  But PBS Admin is very firm on the 1 book = 1 credit rule.  The only exception is audio books, and the FIFO system is set up to charge 2 credits for those already.  You cannot ask for more than one credit per book through the forums or through FIFO.

Current USPS Media Mail rates:
  Effective Jan 27, 2013

Up to 1 pound.......................................$2.53
More than 1 pound, less than 2 pounds....... 2.98
More than 2 pounds, less than 3 pounds..... 3.43
More than 3 pounds, less than 4 pounds..... 3.88
More than 4 pounds, less than 5 pounds.....4.33
More than 5 pounds, less than 6 pounds.....4.78
More than 6 pounds, less than 7 pounds.....5.23
More than 7 pounds, less than 8 pounds.....5.66
More than 8 pounds, less than 9 pounds..... 6.09
More than 9 pounds, less than 10 pounds....6.52

 

It appears your books would cost $3.43 ea. to send separately.  Credits purchased in the Kiosk (multiples rate) are $3.79.

 



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Date Posted: 2/9/2013 5:19 PM ET
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Until PBS makes some changes, not everyone is in favor of that thread. It is up to each person's code of ethics. Before I get jumped on, all I'm saying is that each person in life decides what is acceptable for them.

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 6:23 PM ET
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PBS Admin. doesn't have a problem with the thread, or they would close it. 

How other members choose to operate their account is their own business (within the rules).  Some members have their bookshelf and wishlist set to private also, because they think all books should go FIFO only and the mail-to-a-friend options should be banned.  Again, those are not PBS rules, nor are those opinions binding on other members. 

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 6:42 PM ET
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Wow. A bit sensitive. I never said anything about opinions being binding on others. Guess you're not a big believer of differing opinions. Sorry you were offended but Gail is entitled to other points of view. 

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 6:44 PM ET
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That thread allows people to ship more books out that they might otherwise just donate. Which means more WL books posted into the sytem and more credits in the system to be spent. So it benefits the site and it's open to anyone who wants to use it. 

 



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Date Posted: 2/9/2013 7:48 PM ET
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Thanks all for your help on this, I'm still learning laugh

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 9:46 PM ET
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On the otherhand, I obsessed one day and counted the books and posters in the wishlist multiples thread. There were 173 posts involving 93 people and there were 956 books left at the end of the month.    What this meant was, 93 people benefited and almost 1000 people didn't get wishlisted books.  Almost 1000 books were not posted into the system and there were 1000 less credits to be spent just so 93 people didn't have to spend extra for postage. Not factored in, is that the wishlisted books would be generating more credits as they were re-posted.  I did not check each book, however it appeared the the bulk of the books are paperback so weight is not the issue. Until PBS allows us to put a minimum credit number for orders on our regular shelf, I still believe that this is not a benefit for PBS and the members (except for the few).  

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 2/9/2013 9:58 PM ET
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Or ... 93 people who could only afford to send out a couple of packages that month were each able to send out 4 books instead of 2, thereby doubling the number of credits and wish list books that went into circulation from that group of members.

You cannot conclude from the available information that people would have posted all 956 books individually if they did not have the multiples thread. You also cannot conclude that they did not go ahead and post the 956 books at the end of the month.

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 10:14 PM ET
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Until members commit their books, such as FIFO or agree to a deal...they own those books and can do whatever they wish with them. 

Using your numbers there were 93 members looking for a deal that would make it worthwhile for them to mail books, rather than toss them in a Goodwill box or paper recycling.  Unless you wanted one of those 956 books, I don't understand the resentment.  And if you did...I've pm'd members offering multiples.  Let them politely know the book was on my wishlist, but I wasn't currently requesting multiples.  Once in a while the book will end up posted to my wishlist a week or two later.  Sometimes it's easier to work within the system, rather than resent what it's not.

Which brings us back to the OP.  She asked a question, and received answers as to what is allowed (and where to find it) and what's not allowed.  With that information, it's her books and her choice.



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Date Posted: 2/9/2013 10:20 PM ET
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 Or ... 93 people who could only afford to send out a couple of packages that month were each able to send out 4 books instead of 2, thereby doubling the number of credits and wish list books that went into circulation from that group of members. 

Good point. 

 

 You cannot conclude from the available information that people would have posted all 956 books individually if they did not have the multiples thread.  

Since the average is 10 books per person, I think it's safe to say most books would be posted at some time during the month or subsequent months.

You also cannot conclude that they did not go ahead and post the 956 books at the end of the month.

This one is the easiest. The same books show up by the same poster in subsequent months.

(BTW, I just read one of your earlier posts. Thanks for the info regarding setting up a website for small businesses.)

 

  

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 10:23 PM ET
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Sorry for your issues Denise.  I simply gave Gail another opinion and you certainly don't seem to like it. ummmmm  Now I see your issue. You're one who only has paperbacks and is working the angle. How sad.

 



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Date Posted: 2/9/2013 11:12 PM ET
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Sorry for your issues Denise.  I simply gave Gail another opinion and you certainly don't seem to like it. ummmmm  Now I see your issue. You're one who only has paperbacks and is working the angle. How sad.

Marie, your opinion is very interesting, but has nothing to do with the rules of this site or the OP's original question. I don't understand why you continue to derail the thread and are poking at Denise personally, who has done nothing wrong. Posting in the multiples thread is not an "angle" or "sad." A lot of people (including me) have used the WL multiples thread and are grateful for the convenience of it. It is a valid way to exchange books-for-credits on this site according to the current rules. Sorry you don't like it, but this isn't the place to be venting about it since it isn't on topic, and the admins don't read the forums to gather advice on how to improve the site anyway. The "contact us" link at the bottom of the page would send your grievance to the people that matter.

I think Gail may be wondering why her simple straight-forward question is devolving into a completely off-topic argument.

 

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 11:12 PM ET
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Whenever I do a major book purge, I add the WL books I intend to get rid of to the multiples thread. Otherwise, I get rid of them. i.e. they are not entered into the PBS system. I don't think anyone is gaming the system and if the owners of the site allow it, I really do not understand where ethics even enter into it.  

Date Posted: 2/9/2013 11:39 PM ET
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I don't feel I derailed the thread .  Denise gave Gail one opinion and I gave her another.  Denise is the one having a temper tantrum. Cathy was logical and impersonal and what she said was treated with respect.  Denise immediatly went to words in bold letters and attacked meThe goal of the multiples thread as stated is to send multiple books to the same home so you can save on shipping...this is NOT intended to bypass the FIFO system. There is some reason Denise reacts with such emotion and that is sad.



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Date Posted: 2/9/2013 11:47 PM ET
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Denise answered the OP and also gave advice on the alternative of posting books in the multiples thread, which is allowed. Your opinion of the multiples thread is irrelevant. Your perception of someone else's "tone" is no excuse to start a personal war. 

K, I'm done white-knighting for Denise and contributing to the derailed trainwreck. 

 



Last Edited on: 2/9/13 11:56 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 2/10/2013 12:13 AM ET
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Somebody sent me a heavy book last week.  I was so glad that she was willing to send a heavy book.  I sent her an extra credit .  I always try to give them an extra credit when it costs over $3 as long as they send a postable book on time.  :)

Date Posted: 2/10/2013 1:09 AM ET
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We are free to gift an extra credit. But we cannot ask for one. Just like we can offer multiples, but not require it. They are our own credits and books, until they enter the FIFO system. Then they are part of our agreement and commitment to the PBS rules.

I have returned a credit before on an order for multiple books. It was my choice to do with my credit.



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Date Posted: 2/10/2013 1:54 AM ET
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Wow. I have no idea why somebody would be ticked off about the Wishlist Multiples thread. I use it. Sometimes I order from it. If someone has a book I'm really wanting, I'll order something I normally wouldn't have so I can get it (if I have plenty of credits). Great way to find new books/authors. I also post there. Sometimes hardbacks, sometimes paperbacks. If I have several WL books, I can't afford to mail each ones individually. I would just have to donate them somewhere. At least this way they get into the system.

PBS allows it. It's not an "angle". It's not cheating anybody. It just helps to get more books posted than otherwise would be. I suppose if I were going to be angry because someone didn't want to mail out 10 books individually, then I should equally be angry if (not being allowed to have a WL multiples thread) they donated or sold the books elsewhere so that I couldn't get them. Neither of those things seems like something to get upset about.

If the OP wants to use the Multiple WL threads, I would suggest that she go ahead and do that and not worry about it. Surely most people have bigger things to be concerned with in their lives.

Date Posted: 2/10/2013 2:26 AM ET
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Sometimes I order from the WL multiples and get a couple books I want plus a couple others just to rounded out the order. I keep mine to read and repost the others so they go right back out to the top of the WL. Mine get posted once I finish reading them. Win win for all.

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Date Posted: 2/10/2013 3:25 AM ET
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Gail, when I first joined PBS, a sender asked me for 2 credits to send her heavy book to me. I did then, unknownest to me at that time was not allowed. So, I did send her 2 credits and when I received the book, noticed the cost sending the heavy book was not worth giving 2 credits for, wasn't that much for her to send. No one has asked me since then to send 2 credits, and I wouldn't anyway, as it is against the PBS rules.

Date Posted: 2/10/2013 4:01 AM ET
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I'm learning a lot on this thread - again, thanks everyone O:-)
Date Posted: 2/10/2013 6:38 AM ET
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Gail, you have a book ROOM?  I bow to you.  heart

The problem with going to the multiple wishlist page is that you end up order wishlist books you never knew you wanted. smiley  The Hidden Gems page is pretty much a death trap, too.  Come to think of it, this whole durned site is a candy store to a chocoholic.  I've had to put myself on a book ordering moratorium. 

I requested one of the newer Stephen King books and was horrified when I got it.  I hadn't realized it was so whomping big and it cost the sender a small fortune to mail.  I did gift her an extra credit, but she returned it, saying that it had cost somebody that much to send it to her and she was happy to do it.  It was only then that I realized that I, too, would eventually be mailing it out, so I quit feeling guilty. 

If you decide to place your book FIFO, the cost will even itself over time.  wink

Date Posted: 2/10/2013 7:04 AM ET
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I have a system of my own. I read many popular books that many other people dont read. I let these sit on the site for three to six months then I give them to goodwill or the library. Most I give to the Library. The cost of sending a huge hardback is to much so I deal with paperbacks mostly. I say cut your losses if your on a tight budget like me and donate them.

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