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Subject: Hardback book 1 point?
Date Posted: 5/8/2008 3:26 PM ET
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Like many others I have registered here and on another trading site hoping to get more exposure and send out more books.  So on the other site hardbacks are worth 2 points.  Just wondering what everyones opinion is on that.  I have only posted my hardbacks to other site because of this.  I figure I paid more money for them and they cost more to mail so they should be worth more points?  Audiobooks are 2 points?  Any thoughts?  Also wondering how much more it really does cost to mail out hardbacks versus paperbacks?

Thanks - Kristen

Date Posted: 5/8/2008 3:34 PM ET
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First, welcome to PBS!

This has been discussed many times here, and the consensus seems to be that it all balances out in the end. The cost to ship a HB vs a PPB is really not that different, and many people both order and ship HB books. Plus, there are many PPB tomes that would cost more than the average HB to ship as well. 

In addition, once the PPB versions are relased, the HB versions can be found for the same price or less than the PPB. So they're really no longer worth the surcharge for it.

Most people are pleased with the 1-to-1 book ratio. It's easy to deal with, there's no auctioning of books for credits or misunderstandings as to the book cost.

Hope this answers your question.

Date Posted: 5/8/2008 3:53 PM ET
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Also - you can spend those credits on HC books so that in the end you are get the same thing in return.

Date Posted: 5/8/2008 3:58 PM ET
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I think Jane hit the nail on the head when she pointed out that hardbacks lose some value when the paperback version is released. My UBS won't even take in hardbacks because he says they just don't sell.  The half-price books near me has a huge section of $1 hardbacks. Plus they really aren't that much more expensive to ship.  I just mailed a sewing book out that weighed around 3lbs.  Media mail w/the printed postage fee was only $3.50.  Now, if it wasn't WL, I probably would have sold it to Half-price books but since it was WL-I posted it here. 

Audiobooks CDS on the other hand retain a lot of their value. Even in the new age of MP3's and IPODS because not everyone can play those in their cars.  A  recently released audiobook can cost over $30 new.  I was looking at some Charlaine Harris audio cds on Ebay yesterday and they started at $25 for used ones.  Even the thrift store had them priced at $10.  Sometimes I find a good deal on them at Half-price books but not often.  Usually only if it's a really popular author where the hb/mmp and audio versions are very easy to find. I wouldn't post audio cds if they didn't get 2 credits.  Cassettes on the other hand-I'd be glad to post them at 1 credit because they're getting obsolete.  Most stores don't even carry cassette walkmans anymore. 



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Date Posted: 5/8/2008 4:03 PM ET
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Yeah, I want to reiterate - It all works out in the end.  I would say I receive just as many hardbacks as I do paperbacks.  The only reason audiobooks are 2 credits is because they are significantly more expensive.  I am not sure how much, but I think they can run upwards of $40.

ETA:  By the way, the typical cost difference between mailing a paperback and mailing a hardback is quite minimal, just 34 cents.  There are always exceptions, but that's the general rule.



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Date Posted: 5/8/2008 5:14 PM ET
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<<The only reason audiobooks are 2 credits is because they are significantly more expensive.  I am not sure how much, but I think they can run upwards of $40.>>

Unabridged audiobooks can run significantly more -- I've seen some of Diana Gabaldon's unabridged audio sell for $70-80 new.  Depends on the length of the book, among other things, and hers are long.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 5/8/2008 6:04 PM ET
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Yep, my own thoughts are that "a book is a book." I send (and order) hardcovers and have no problems with the 1 credit = 1 book concept. As others have said, try selling a hardcover at a UBS after it's a few months old--unless it's an uber-popular book or one you don't find all that often, you get hardly nothing for them despite what you may have paid for it when it was first released. I myself rarely buy new hardcovers except for my keeper shelf anyway--unless I've gotten them on the bargain bin at Amazon, B&N, or Bookcloseouts.com, in which case, they were likely quite a bit cheaper than a new paperback anyway.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 5/9/2008 7:52 AM ET
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I like the way PBS has set it up. 1 book = 1 book. Otherwise you start having to assess value on things, and maybe a cookbook would be equal 2 credits, since they tend to be heavy. Where would it end? Maybe art books should be 3 credits, current bestsellers 4 credits, a book with 500 people waiting for it might be 10 credits, and on and on. Maybe Harlequins and children's books should be only 1/2 credit or something. It would get very complicated.

I trade and receive both PB and HB. The HB cost very little more to send, and sometimes cost less to send, depending on size. I had a huge PB to mail out awhile back, as large as most HB and a good deal heavier, so HB does not necessarily mean more expensive to mail.

It all evens out in the end. If you scroll through this forum, you'll see several threads on this subject, and most of the members here are satisfied with "a book is a book".

Date Posted: 5/9/2008 10:29 AM ET
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thanks for all the replys.  I see everyones point for sure.  I didn't realize audiobooks are that expensive!  I think I was thinking that with extra mailing costs it might be worth more than one point and in my case I usually get paperback books cause the hardbacks take up too much room.  I was considering trading my hardbacks for the same thing in a paperback to save room. 

So anyone know how much mailing hardback typically costs?

When mailing hardback is wrapping them in plastic and paper enough or does it need any more padding?

Thanks

Date Posted: 5/9/2008 10:33 AM ET
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Right now, the typical hardback is 2.47 (vs 2.13 for a typical paperback).  However, the USPS is raising their rates beginning next week, so both numbers will go up.

Date Posted: 5/9/2008 10:53 AM ET
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Either way, it's still less than buying a credit at almost $3.50 each from the kiosk, even if you spend the 43 cents to use the PBS postage.

Date Posted: 5/9/2008 1:06 PM ET
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(And many of us don't see why cassette tape audio books are 2 credits, and wish they'd change it so the audio books might actually be requested.  I end up donating mine and I can't say I think my 1 or 2 tape books are worth 2 credits).

Date Posted: 5/9/2008 3:32 PM ET
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Kristen, I usually pad the corners of HB with something or else the corners tend to get dented or sometimes tear through the envelope during the brutal shipping process. I'm always scrounging thin squishy plastic foam stuff, little bits of bubble wrap, styrofoam, tissue wrapping paper, anything to pad those corners a bit. I was completely out of padding material one time so I wrapped the book well in plain paper to protect it from the ink and then did a couple of layers of newspaper for extra padding - all this material is lightweight and does not add to the shipping cost in my experience.

Date Posted: 5/9/2008 4:25 PM ET
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I am a big fan of audio books, and had tons, mostly abridged cassettes though.  I pretty much always offered them as a two for one, as that is all I think them worth.  However, I do not offer that deal on unabridged CD's.  Most of them I've bought new, and they are pricey, and they don't "breakdown" like hardcovers.

Even with the 2 for 1, they just were not going, so last week I took a huge bag of them to the FOL.  They were thrilled to get them as they have very few, yet many of the patrons love them.