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Subject: Hardbacks with paperback ISBNs
Date Posted: 12/19/2007 3:43 PM ET
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Is this a problem??  I've received one like this, and I also listed one like this.  Both are the size and shape of a trade paperback, with paperback ISBN numbers, marked on the book somewhere as "permabound" with a hard cover.  I've just listed mine under the ISBN, as did the person from whom I ordered--and I certainly wasn't disappointed to get a hard cover in paperback size!!  :)  Is that ok, or must we list such books with no isbn??

patti

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 4:05 PM ET
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Hi Patti,

From the PBS Help Center:

Problem:  Booktype doesn't match

Publishers sometime choose to assign the same ISBN to multiple versions of a book.  However, PBS can attach only ONE booktype to the listing for an ISBN.  If your book does not have the booktype assigned to the ISBN in the PBS database, you will need to post it with a customized listing, using the Post a Book Without an ISBN link on the Post Books page, so that the booktype matches your book.

Solution: You will need to post this book with a customized listing for the book, using the Post Books without an ISBN link on the Post Books page.

Hope this answers your question.

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 4:25 PM ET
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Patricia, if it's a WL book, be sure to mention it in the "WL books with different ISBN" thread. Of course, in this case, the ISBN is the same but the format is different. I'm sure it'll get snatched up quickly!

Marsha is right, though. If the type doesn't match, it must be posted as non-ISBN. You can short-cut the process by opening a second window and copying the book description from the original ISBN description. Makes life easier that way.

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 12:03 AM ET
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just FYI,

"Perma-bound" and "bound-to-stay-bound" are companies independent of the original publisher.  They take books (usually paperback, but not always) and rebind them in a stronger binding -- generally for the public library and school markets. 

I guess you still have to list them as a non-isbn book, but technically they are the correct book (the cover has just been altered.)

 

rebecca

 

 

patticom - ,
Date Posted: 12/20/2007 2:20 AM ET
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Well that's kind of what I thought, Rebecca, and it seems silly to me to list them as a non-ISBN when it *IS* the correct book in every way except for the hard cover!!  It's even the same size and shape and weight (with maybe only 1 oz. extra for the heavier cover).  :(  Most people would be delighted to get a sturdier cover, though I did read comments from one person who actually prefers the soft bendable covers of paperbacks... although both of these books in question are SO thick in paperback format it would be really really hard to bend them no matter what the cover is like LOL!!

So if I list it as a non-ISBN will it still come up under a search for that title??  Will it still be offered to people by email as "book similar to the one in your wait list"???  That's what concerns me most, because with something like 50,000 (probably much more) members registerd and only a tiny fraction of that who uses the forums I could be sitting on it for awhile....

thanks

patti

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 9:44 AM ET
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Do a search for any really popular title. You'll find both ISBN and non-ISBN's on the list. It'll show up in a search, and you can also put a notice about any non-ISBN's in a post on the book bazaar.

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 11:20 AM ET
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Patricia, I've had to list some books with no ISBN because their binding didn't match what was listed in the system.  It took a little longer but they all were requested eventually.

And, this is a good reminder that it never hurts from time to time to check your WLs against what's in the system to see if a book you want has slipped under the radar.  I've found some of my WL books this way!

patticom - ,
Date Posted: 12/20/2007 3:53 PM ET
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Thanks, I'll do that!!  :)  It's kind of a moot point right now, because apparently the book was waitlisted and has already been requested.  I did pm the requestor to ensure that it is acceptable, but s/he has not yet replied and if they don't by morning I'll probably just take a chance and get it in the mail anyway before the weekend!!

patti

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 4:39 PM ET
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Patricia, I'd recommend that you PM the person that you've listed it in non-ISBN form on your bookshelf and cancel the order. This will give the person the chance to order it from your shelf, but put them back immediately in line for the HB format, if that is what is really wanted. Give the person a deadline to order from your shelf directly, and then promote it in the Bazaar once the deadline passes.

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 6:04 PM ET
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Though posting becomes a pain, the rules are very clear that if the binding does not match what is listed, you cannot post the book by that ISBN and must post it as a book without and ISBN. If you do not follow this and send the book, if the receiver asks for their credit back you must give it back and they can keep the book. Many people order a book of a specific binding for a reason, to post a book that does not match is not fair to them. They lose a credit and their spot in any WL lines. Please follow this rule.

patticom - ,
Date Posted: 12/21/2007 2:26 AM ET
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Ok, but for now on this particular book he has already answered my query and confirmed he definitely wants it, so I see no point in dragging out the transaction by forcing him to reorder.  I'll be sure to list any future books like this I pick up in the correct way for the PBS rules, though.

Edited just to add that I live overseas at a U.S. APO address, and while you may be thinking an hour or two to correct it will take at least 24 hours, longer with the pending holiday and Post Office closures... since I have his confirmation, I can get it in the mail this morning while you all in the States are still sleeping!!  :)  It's already a day "behind" because I'd have mailed it yesterday if it weren't for the minor problem.



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Date Posted: 12/21/2007 8:38 AM ET
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Yep, since he has gotten back to you, you will be fine going ahead and sending it. But, had he not gotten back to you, you could have well been out the book and the postage had he decided he didn't want it, is what the others were trying to impress on you. Mailing it without confimation could have been a complete loss. You could have been out the postage, the book, and the credit, if he had not gotten back with you and didn't want the wrong binding :)

Glad it all is going to work out! Happy Holidays!