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Subject: The Hatfields and the McCoys
Date Posted: 5/29/2012 4:17 PM ET
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Is anybody watching the mini series on the history channel?  It's 3 parts.  The first one was facinating but there are so many characters I'm having trouble keeping them all straight.

Anybody have any thoughts?

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 4:19 PM ET
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I watched a little over half of it.  Not only are there a lot of characters, the Southern accents are so bad that you can't understand half of what they say!  I gave up right about the time when the girl and the boy started noticing each other at the picnic.

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 5:01 PM ET
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I watched it all and will probably turn it on again tonight.  I didn't quite get all the characters straight either but gosh, such self-defeating behavior!  I thougt the tacit agreement of the wives was interesting, too.

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 5:37 PM ET
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I did a google search on the subject and found stuff that conflicted with the TV show.  One guy (I don't remember which one) fought for the Union and one for the confederacy.  In the movie I thought they both fought on the same side.  Also, the feud started long before the civil war.  The Costner and Paxton characters were the grandsons of the first feuders.

Does anyonw have more information on this?

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 7:54 PM ET
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I've(or will) dvr'ed the mini series.  Probably start it tonight. 

I thought one of the reasons the feud started up was because they had fought on separate sides during the "War between the States" or the "Civil War" depending on who's side you were on.  Each considered the other a traitor to his country.   Didn't know it was going on longer than that. 

 

What?  Kevin(or Paxton for that matter) NOT being able to do an accent?  Color me stunned.....

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 8:09 PM ET
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Well, I thought that I had the characters pretty straight but I don't know if it's the way DH recorded it or what but there I was waiting for the Hatfields to rescue that son from the McCoys and all of a sudden we were in the Civil War!!! Sheesh! I gave up and went to bed!

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 9:15 PM ET
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RE: Accents ... just a small observation ... West Virginia isn't really a southern accent at all ... West Virginia is not what I think of as "south" ... not like Christa's Louisiana, or Alabama, the Carolinas, etc. What has bothered me about the dialog is a recurring problem with enunciation. More than once, I had to back up & replay a section of dialog because I missed it through their mumbling.

Overall, I am enjoying the mini-series. Love the actors and love being entertained. 

Agree or disagree: Powers Boothe steals every scene he is in!!  

Kelly

 

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 10:06 PM ET
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I missed the first episode so I haven't been watching it yet, but I am sure it will repeat.  I love Powers Booth and he is a scene stealer.

Date Posted: 5/29/2012 10:08 PM ET
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Check your TV guide, Cheryl ... they are replaying both part 1 & 2 back to back tonight ... and maybe will again tomorrow night before part 3. And, as you say, History Channel will probably run this again & again over the coming weeks.

 

Date Posted: 5/30/2012 10:15 AM ET
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Jeanne-dh and I said the same thing when we started to watch ep. 1 last night-  "wait.  did we start in the middle?" And yes, apparently both Paxton and Costner fought for the Confederates-which was news to me. 

And, yes, Powers Boothe is a definite scene stealer....

Will we finish it?  Not sure.  The mumbling makes it pretty hard to follow and at times I find it hard to remember who's who.  Add in the fact that I can't let myself get attached to anyone because I'm convinced they are all going to kill each other...and I'm not sure if I want to invest more time in it. 

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Date Posted: 5/30/2012 7:40 PM ET
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I agree that Powers Boothe has created quite a presence with his character, a performance that you just can't turn away from. I like the mini-series. I don't know how accurate it is, but I'm not sure how much of the "history" between the two families is conclusive. But it's an entertaining show. I guess I watched to many Bugs Bunny cartoons because I expected them to be more like Earnest T. Bass and the Darlings (from the Andy Griffith Show). In the HC movie, they are somewhat wealthy and powerful landowners. I'll be watching the conclusion tonight.



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Date Posted: 5/31/2012 7:44 AM ET
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I guess I'm a bad West Virginian....I didn't watch any of this.  First, I have trouble committing three evenings to television.  Second, it's bound to be depressing.  Third, I'm mad they didn't shoot it here in W.Va.  

But now I'm dying to listen to the accents!  W.Va. accents are extremely varied, depending on the part of the state you're in.  It's fascinating.  (But I'm sort of a geek about language and accents).  

Date Posted: 5/31/2012 10:46 AM ET
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Well, with David out of town I have recorded the whole thing but have not watched any of it yet --- so had to be very careful about reading all of your posts!!!  If the accents are too severe it will be a problem for David, he has two hearing aids and sometimes accents make it difficult!!!!  May have to watch it alone when he is out of town next week!!!

Alice J. (ASJ) - ,
Date Posted: 5/31/2012 11:06 AM ET
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We have it recorded. I am waiting for my son to come home from his DC trip to watch it with him. It is getting high ratings.

 

Alice

Date Posted: 5/31/2012 12:48 PM ET
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I really enjoyed it & kept all three recorded episodes ... I may watch it again. I don't know about the authenticity of the accents - Vicky, I will be interested to see what you think if you get around to listening to any of it. For one thing, my ear is not refined enough for linguistic subtleties ... but I wish it was; I think it's a pretty neat thing.

Linda was at a national teacher's conference one time, years ago, and at the banquet one evening, the gentleman across the table asked Mom if she was from Oklahoma. Told her Oklahoma dialects and speech patterns were  different from those from  surrounding states and he had made such a thing a hobby of sorts & was pretty certain she was from Oklahoma. I thought that was all pretty cool. As for me, I know Yankee, Southern, and None of the Above.

Kelly

 



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Date Posted: 5/31/2012 2:00 PM ET
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Kelly --- What a hoot!!!  Was his name Professor Higgins (hee hee)!!!!  I too have heard that Oklahoma accents vary greatly from Arkansas, Texas and Kansas.  Makes one wonder why --- perhaps the nationalities of the initial non-Indian settlers had something to do with it.  While living north of Boston, Massachusetts, I actually got to where I could tell certain "local" accents from others and just could not imagine how somehow from Medford could sound so different from someone a few towns over. 

 

Date Posted: 6/1/2012 3:40 PM ET
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For anyone who still wants to watch it the History channel is repeating it tomorrow afternoon/evening.

Date Posted: 6/1/2012 7:13 PM ET
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I recorded it and watched the first two episodes today.  I know nothing about the history of it (except it was a bad feud smiley), but have enjoyed it so far.  I totally agree about Powers Booth - I thought the same thing about him in HBO's Deadwood series.  I really didn't notice anything about the accents or have trouble making out what was being said.  I did have trouble keeping all of the characters straight - funny how men in full beards all start to look the same...



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Date Posted: 6/1/2012 7:35 PM ET
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...funny how men in full beards all start to look the same...

So true. My mom and I watched the three episodes together -- we thoroughly enjoyed them. Talk about bad behavior....

Date Posted: 6/2/2012 5:43 PM ET
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DH and I just finished watching what we recorded---we liked it, didn't have too much trouble w/ the accents, and had our iPads going during it to check their facts--great fun!

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Date Posted: 6/3/2012 9:16 AM ET
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We watched the first episode last night. It was good but difficult to keep the characters straight. Casting was well done. Looking forward to the next two episodes.

Alice

Date Posted: 6/4/2012 1:08 PM ET
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I saw part of it - thought it was a total snooze fest - went to do something more interesting - flding laundry.  What little I did see appeared to be a total parody of the stereotype of a hillbilly and if I were from that part of the country I'd be insulted.

Date Posted: 6/4/2012 1:27 PM ET
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We watched all of them back to back this past weekend.  Not great, but moderately well done, IMO.  Not enough to create interest where there is none, but enough to hold you if there's some pre-existing interest.

I can't imagine growing up in either family, when the time and expense involved in transportation and communication meant that moving far enough away, to be truly out of it, would likely mean never seeing your family again and hearing from them only a few times a year, by letter.  (From those members who didn't cut you out completely because you chose to move away.)

Date Posted: 6/5/2012 9:49 AM ET
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I'm in the middle of "Gone for a Soldier"-book one by Jeffery Hepple.  An interesting side light-one of the battles our hero asks who the best shooters in the Company(Virginia-Revolutionary War) are.  Sgt replies-"Hatfield" and "McCoy""-but don't ask them to shoot or load side by side-they HATE each other".  So, I guess it really was going on a long, long time.