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Subject: Help me decide
Date Posted: 7/11/2011 7:06 PM ET
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man I SUCK at decisions! I took a training seminar today and saw in black and white that I'm indecisive and slow to make a decision,etc etc etc..sigh...

I bought a Sony 505 several years ago and used it sporadically. Not sure why but think it's like any new gotta have gadget and me - gotta let it grow on me or something. plus the formatting sucks and I think I read that's from the pdf books. well I recently starrted downloading librry books and now a lto of those are epub along with some pdf. My model is the only one that can't have both formats on at the same time. The library emailed me and gave me sony's support # and the tech with the online chat said the patches are only for the 3 newer models and I'd have to load just one at a time. ok I can do this but the principal of it pisses me off esp since I may want to load several when I got out of town which is virtually never but still...I fought to get a library book loaded a couple of nights ago -d rove me nuts and finally had to delete it and reload from the library which luckily I hadn't exceeded the limit of transfers/downloads. I've also disliked where the page turn buttons are - they're in awkward places for me for how I hold the reader.

well I don't like missing out ont he free books from B&N and amazon but not really wanting a b unch of ereaders either. I'm debating getting a newer model Sony that has the touchscreen so I can turn the pages by touching the screen(at least I think it works this way) not sure which model or if I should look cl oser at the Nook then it's the Nook color or regular..I do like to read at night and someone gave me a cover with a light for the Sony I have but it's one that covers the screen and lights around the edges - bothers my eyes a bit but not bad overall.

is there anywhere that lists the pros/cons side by side for these models? I searched online some but found a lot with kindle and nook but some wre older models. or should I just make do with the one I have? I still find the prices for new books cost prohibitive esp with formats changing and I read somewehre that ebooks weren't 'keepers' and I would want them to be keepers.

Date Posted: 7/11/2011 7:48 PM ET
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Mobileread has a forum just for that question. Maybe it would help.

Here.

Lots of people here if you have specific questions. I have a Sony prs-650, prs-350 and an Amazon Kindle 3 with just wifi and the adds. I'm playing with the last one as it's new for me.

I still find the prices for new books cost prohibitive esp with formats changing and I read somewehre that ebooks weren't 'keepers' and I would want them to be keepers.

Of course they're 'keepers'. Don't know why someone would say they weren't. I'm building up my library for long-term use. Of course, some people's trade-ins are other people's keepers, so I guess it's all personal preference in the end.

And prices differ depending on the publisher. You can get some good stuff at various Indy publishers, Like Baen Books, (lots of free fantasy and scifi there), Smashwords and Fictionwise. Pick your format and no DRM (No passwords needed). No DRM ebooks can be converted to other formats with Calibre, a free ebook program that can do a lot of things with managing ebooks.  Fictionwise has a lot of Multi-Format non-DRM books, and they have coupons if you look for them, usually posted in the eBook Forum. A few weeks ago they had a 60% off sale. I got a ton of stuff for around $2 - $3 each.

For example, at Smashwords Allan Cole, fantasy writer, has the four books in one of his fantasy series at $4.99 with a 50% off coupon. So you can get all four of his books for $10.

His Fantastic Fiction Page Here.

I think you should browse the stores, find where you want to buy-get your books and see what they're compatible with. Buy DRM'less when ever possible.

I've found one of my favorite series as an Indy book. Like pro-published books, you sometimes have to wade through the bad stuff to find the good stuff, and sometimes just take the chance.

 

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 3:46 AM ET
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Kindles getting Library Lending by end of yr!  So for now I stick with what you have for Library eBooks! 

Could you clarify for me....  You Cant download More than 1 Library eBook at a time?  I can transfer 1 at a time on my Literati BUT I can put on more than one ebook!  I use Adobe Digital Editions!  The Library eBooks go straight to the program on my couputer the I hook up and transfer the books Seconds Per eBook!  I had as many as 9 ebooks from the 2 libraries I am a member of!! 

BTW with Nooks You CANT put Kindle eBooks on it!  With Kindles You CANT put Nook Books on it!   You might want to also consider a Tablet!  Then you can Download the Apps off Both Amazon & B&N site to it & read the eBooks!!    To put library eBooks on a Tablet with out using a computer ADE requires the Tablet have at least 2.2 operating system!    

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 5:49 AM ET
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Katie, apparently my sony prs 505 will read both epub and pdf but when I borrow from the library I can download a bunch of pdf or a bunch of epub but not both to the reader at the same time - for instance I had 2 pdf ebooks and checked to make sure there wre on the reade r- yep had the 'clock' with the number of days remaining and showed a page 1 and page 400, etc. downloaded an epub and it was there. went back to read one oft he pdf books and it was saying page 1 or page 2 and no clock and nothing else - clicked to read page 1 and 'protected page' error showed up. could read it on the computer but not the ereader. sony tech guy said  there were patches available for hte new ones but not my model that would let me have both formats on thereader at the same time.

cindy I wanted to purchase my special fave books - I read mostly romance- but read somewehre that drm and all that keeps changing and publishers put limits on how many times a book can be read and that purchasing them as ebooks thinking they'll be foreve is wrong..wish I could remember where I saw that. I was thinking it was like buying vhs then laser disc thend vd then blue ray...stuff keeps changing. I wanted them on ebook though because I can make the print bigger - my eyes just can't take the little print much any more.

why did you get 2 Sony models? is one an older model and you wanted a newer one or do you have specific purposes? I've also debated in investing in the kindle and nook with the ads and stuff but didn't know if that would bother me - just so I could get the freebies and the occasional something else. I have calibre but ran into a drm b&n book and got too nervous to buy their eboos without their reader. are all the new sony readers the kind wher you can flip the pages by touching the screen? I hate the buttons on mine - they're awkward places and the easiest positon has a button that's not as nice as the thumb button.

 

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 6:34 AM ET
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I was thinking it was like buying vhs then laser disc thend vd then blue ray...stuff keeps changing.

It can be, because some formats are tied to their own devices. That's why I suggest browsing, and buying, DRM-free books when ever possible. With free programs you can convert them to other formats as needed.

Also, back up your own library of books. Don't ever trust anyone on the internet to hold the only copies of your books. Web sites go down, out of business, or get hacked all the time. You don't want to lose your books because something bad happens.

I've been collecting ebooks and fanfic for about 16 years, and have thousands of ebooks, stories and tens of thousands of fanfic files. I keep mine backed up in a media safe, just like I do my family pictures. Never keep on a computer what you can't afford to lose, then if the worst happens you won't lose it.

why did you get 2 Sony models? is one an older model and you wanted a newer one or do you have specific purposes?

I've had four all together, plus other electronic reading devices through the years. I've even carried books on my first Ipod with screen. DH is a dyed-in-the-wood computer nerd, and he doesn't believe a holiday/anniversary/birthday gift is a real gift unless you have to plug it in. wink So I get electronics for those occasions (with the exception of Valentine's day, which I get candy, flowers and a book store gift card.) since he never knows what books I want. Ereaders and books are my thing. I got a new Kindle 3 just to play with, as it's our anniversary this month. We go to computer stores and the eBook reader isle (if they have one) is where I'm found. Lol.

So far, the Sony's are still my favorites. The prs-650 just has slots for SD cards, so is heavier and bulkier, and the screen is bigger than the prs-350. THe 350 has no card slots, but 2 gig internal memory and smaller, lighter, and wonderful to put in my purse. I tend to put my main reading on it, and on the 650 have a ultra fast 16 gig sd card in it, with just over 4 gig of ebook files on it. It has my whole library, where the 350 can't hold everything. In a fire, I'd grad the 650 on my way out the door. Too me a while and a hack to get it to work the way I wanted it too.

I process, sort, tweak, load and unload all my files on the devices, run hacks, see how fast they run, how they sort, do they have limits... (For the Sony's don't fill them up entirely. Leave about half a gig or so for memory processing, or they'll be to slow to use. They don't tell you that in the handbooks!) If anyone can fill them to the brim, overload them, and otherwise break them just to see what i'tll do, that's me. smiley

Then I usually give away the older models of what ever I don't use much anymore. Now I get twitchy if I don't have "my book" with me, which is what ever flavor of eReader I'm into at the moment.

 

 



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Date Posted: 7/12/2011 6:41 AM ET
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Oh, and the Sony prs-650 and Sony prs-350 are both touch screens. Don't make a mistake and get the Sony prs-600, though, the touch screen was awful. They didn't get the layers on the screen right and the screen was murky. Too many places you find the current models, which I love, on display and the boxes with the readers actually the older, yucky versions they couldn't sell.

Always check to make sure the model numbers match what you were looking at.

So far, the Kindle's been fun, but right now I'm converting a ton of .epub fanfic to .mobi to put on the Kindle, and playing with the "Collection" feature for Kindles on the free program Calibre. We'll see if I can put all these files in various collections so I can find them.

There's nothing worse than trying to find a story in a huge collection on a slow device. (And eInk screens can be achingly slow when you compare them to computers. They're not made for speed.) So that's my next big test of my new toy.

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 6:42 AM ET
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ok thanks! didn't realize the 350 didn't have sd card...my 505 does but I haven't figured out how to put anything on it. I really don't know how to back up my ebooks - some I've bought are drm and not sure if they can save on an sd card or whatever. my fave authors unfortunately have drm - jayne ann krentz and linda howard's mackenzie collection and various other stuff.

sounds like the 350 may be good for libary rentals and the other for longterm storage/use. I did run into some nookbooks having drm and I didn't know this when I bought them - only when calibre wouldnt' convert them..even wasted money on a download that would supposedly get through the drm so Ic ould convert it..what a waste there.

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 7:52 AM ET
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hmm I'm thinking that sony 350 might be perfect for library ebooks for me..still not so sure about longterm keepers but the sony I have I think has the sd card(prs505) and if hte future models will take the books I already have I should be able to upgrade to one of those later on. still would miss out on a lot of free nook and kindle ebooks but it's not often they have something I really really really want anyways. I wonder about a used one? do you think there's a lot that can go wrong with one that's been used?

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 8:32 AM ET
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I really don't know how to back up my ebooks - some I've bought are drm and not sure if they can save on an sd card or whatever. my fave authors unfortunately have drm - jayne ann krentz and linda howard's mackenzie collection and various other stuff.

If the ebooks are on your main computer, you can save them. You just need to find where the files are and burn them to CD/DVD.

On Windows, most books will be under c:\Users\[Your Computer Name]\My Documents\[program]

or do a search on your C drive for the extention of the ebook. For example, to find where Kindle4PC stores your books on your computer, search the drive for .azw files. They'll have code names and not regular book names, but those are your book files.

...my 505 does but I haven't figured out how to put anything on it

I've found it's not very handy unless you have a hack for the Sony, and most people don't want to mess with installing a hack program that can brick up the machine in some instances. I love the hack, since I can set the new (hacked) program to see all the files on the SD card, but not try to index them. Indexing can take days if you have thousands of files. Yuck. But the hack lets me browse the SD card from inside the Sony, chose the book I want to read, copy it to main menu and read it. Without wating days for it to index. But it's tempermental.

The Sony's have 2gig internal memory, and the Kindle 3 has 4gig. (some of that is program space, so it's never as large as the ads) but that should do most people for quite a while. My DD only has hers 1/4 full in main memory and she's perfectly happy with that.

So unless you need a card for side-loading books on it, I wouldn't splurge for the SD card slots for most people.

still would miss out on a lot of free nook and kindle ebooks but it's not often they have something I really really really want anyways.

Since the Agency 5 eBook war last year, publishers are in total control of all the prices for their ebooks. So if one book goes 'free' on Amazon, it should be free at all the other bookstores within a few days of each other. Just keep checking the Sony store for them. Inkmesh lists free ebooks and where to find them.

I wonder about a used one? do you think there's a lot that can go wrong with one that's been used?

Bying anything electronic used is iffy. It all depends on the seller and the machine. You can look for refurbished ones, ones that the company has taken back and fixed. They usually come with some kind of warrantee. But the price won't be that much cheaper.

I usally splurge on a new item, from a local store, so if I do pick up a lemon I can run it back quickly. But then I don't usually get the extra warrantees with it. So you kind of have to juggle what you want, the warrantees and the price.

 

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 9:14 AM ET
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You can also back up your files on a USB "thumb" drive. Even a 2 gig size, which is the cheapest, will hold hundreds of books.

Also you can get plugins for Calibre that will remove the DRM from most books (google Apprentice Alf) so then you could convert those free amazon and b&n books to read on whatever reader you own.

I get the free books from amazon, not b&n, since I have a Kindle and amazon backs up the books on their server. I also have my books backed up on external hard drives.

 

 

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 9:19 AM ET
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The sony prs 350 is very nice, one thing I like about it is the small size and light weight. Perfect for putting in the purse and taking everywhere.  I don't have one, just think if you are looking for small and light, that's a good one. I don't like the Sony store or the fact that it doesn't take an SD card.

My smaller lighter reader is a Jetbook (not the Lite). Very nice reader but for a more advanced user.

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 4:07 PM ET
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boy I just 'bout pitched a big fit in the Sony store but got my reader! sheesh. I surfed the 'net for the 350 in pink..finally decided I had 2 options - drive about an hour to the Woodlands and pay toll or get over my hangups about the parking at the galleria. parking wasn't too bad until I tried to leave -s wear I thought I'd need a gps to get out - signs were scarce big-time. but before I went I called and asked if they ahd the 350 in pink and was told yes then I asked where to park(the galleria is one big SOB ya know?!) then got there and hunted nearly 45 in for a potty then went to the store and was told they don't sell them there they're online only. so I said 'I called and even asked directions and was told you had one) so yep there was one in back. she watched me struggle with the tape then snottily asked if I wanted help and that they weren't supposed to open the boxes..she did but it wasn't charged and I asked how I was supposed to know how it worked. asked about library ebooks and she said one at a time and I said the customer service tech told me the newer models had a patch..she didn't know. I said I didn' want to be out $200 bucks and she said '$120 it's on sale' so I went for it. she said 14 day return policy so hopefully it'll do ok and I can do that patch thing. we shall see. it's very light though -super duper light. screen looks smaller and by the time I do large print might get 10 words ona page LOL but I can manage. charging it up now..lve the pink color!

thanks for the help ya'll are good at being decisiive!

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 6:21 PM ET
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congrats, Susanna! I hope you like it! Let us know how it goes. you can find info from users on the mobilread web site, they might even have a link to the software update you need. I think that is one of the lighest, if not THE lightest of ereaders. If I didn't have a Jetbook I would've had that at the top of my list for a 2nd ereader.

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 7:12 PM ET
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Don't make a mistake and get the Sony prs-600, though, the touch screen was awful. They didn't get the layers on the screen right and the screen was murky.

I have a PRS600 and haven't noticed any murkiness on the screen at all.  Touch screen works well too.  I have no problem reading on it.

Date Posted: 7/12/2011 8:38 PM ET
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I'm glad you didn't have a problem with yours, Sarah!  Maybe what ever problem the others were having was fixed laster as they were made.

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 6:58 AM ET
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well if I ever get the da**ed thing charged I'll let ya'll know! sheesh talk about tech challenged but this is embarrassing! apparently leaving it in the usb to charge overnight didn't work either because the computer went to sleep! I'l try charging it at work on the winterm but wont' be any books on it since I never got it charged enough for that! it's very light though. and pretty color!

Date Posted: 7/13/2011 8:40 AM ET
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Yes, if your computer goes into Sleep mode, then the ereader doesn't charge.  If you're charging off of a laptop, it'll acutally drain the battery if the laptop's not plugged in.

I think it was worth the investment to get a separate charger for mine.  The actual Sony ones are like $25 but you can get a similar one for a fraction of that.

Here's the thread from a few pages back on the subject:

http://www.paperbackswap.com/Pay-40-Sony-EReader-Wall/topic/228228/



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Subject: I love my Nook Original (not Color)
Date Posted: 7/13/2011 12:25 PM ET
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man I SUCK at decisions! I took a training seminar today and saw in black and white that I'm indecisive and slow to make a decision,etc etc etc..sigh...

I bought a Sony 505 several years ago and used it sporadically. Not sure why but think it's like any new gotta have gadget and me - gotta let it grow on me or something. plus the formatting sucks and I think I read that's from the pdf books. well I recently starrted downloading librry books and now a lto of those are epub along with some pdf. My model is the only one that can't have both formats on at the same time. The library emailed me and gave me sony's support # and the tech with the online chat said the patches are only for the 3 newer models and I'd have to load just one at a time. ok I can do this but the principal of it pisses me off esp since I may want to load several when I got out of town which is virtually never but still...I fought to get a library book loaded a couple of nights ago -d rove me nuts and finally had to delete it and reload from the library which luckily I hadn't exceeded the limit of transfers/downloads. I've also disliked where the page turn buttons are - they're in awkward places for me for how I hold the reader.

I can download up to 20 library books at a time.  I just went on vacation and had 3 EPUB and 1 PDF ready to read.  I love it!  I use Adobe Digital Editions and fine it very easy.

well I don't like missing out ont he free books from B&N and amazon but not really wanting a b unch of ereaders either. I'm debating getting a newer model Sony that has the touchscreen so I can turn the pages by touching the screen(at least I think it works this way) not sure which model or if I should look cl oser at the Nook then it's the Nook color or regular..I do like to read at night and someone gave me a cover with a light for the Sony I have but it's one that covers the screen and lights around the edges - bothers my eyes a bit but not bad overall.

You can turn the pages on the Nook via the touch screen at the bottom (or use the pages turners on either side).

is there anywhere that lists the pros/cons side by side for these models? I searched online some but found a lot with kindle and nook but some wre older models. or should I just make do with the one I have? I still find the prices for new books cost prohibitive esp with formats changing and I read somewehre that ebooks weren't 'keepers' and I would want them to be keepers.

I prefer my Nook Original over the color.  I don't like a backlit screen, which can lead to eye fatigue, can't read a backlit screen on the beach, Color has shorter battery etc.  I know you said you already saw the pros and cons on other sites, so I won't go into detail.  But wanted to answer your above questions regarding the Nook.  HTH.

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We got a nifty little thing that plugs into a wall outlet, then you can plug in any usb charger to it. Was real cheap on amazon, too. I think you can plug 2 USB ends into it.

Date Posted: 7/29/2011 7:41 AM ET
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well the 350 wont' let me have both epub and pdf on at teh same time sad gonna try the online support later after I've slept(used to night shift) and see if there's a patch or whatever they call it that will make it work. wishing now I'd gone with nook touch but I do like the feel of the sony 350..just didn't think I'd need 2 of the suckers - one for epub and one for pdf! hopefully I won't and of course I could still use the 350 but dangit i'm used to the feel and use of this one now!

Date Posted: 7/29/2011 10:16 AM ET
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What's the problem with epub and pdf at the same time? What is it doing?

I can look it up some more, but don't remember hearing that Sony's couldn't have pdf and epubs at the same time, and I'm pretty sure at the start I've had both on mine. I don't care for htem, andI have heard that PDF files can be too large for the machine, as they're maximized for viewing on a monitor or desktop. PDF files can be huge and can lock up a machine, and sometimes you can't ajust the font because it's locked in a PDF file.

Is the PDF DRM-less? Could you convert it?

Date Posted: 7/29/2011 8:47 PM ET
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nope the library ebooks are drm'd and the mackenzie romance books by linda howard are too dang it!

what it does is the same as the 505 was doing...they do fine on the computer then I transfer a pdf to the ereader. it's there(I check). I transfer an epub and it's there. then after reading one then going to the other the 'clock' for the checkout time is gone and it says' protected page' and no pages are shown..like it's disappeared. I put The Complete Mackenzie Collection on this reader since I re-read those fairly often for comfort reads and it's pdf ...I put a library ebook in epub on there and both were showing as there until I started reading the library book. now the other is 'protected page'. sony support said there's no fix for the 505 - just load one or the other then delete and load the others afterwards-but supposedly all the newer ones would allow both together. I think it's just the drm'd stuff - and harlequin did the mackenzie books and of course they drm every friggin' thing!

I just transferred a nook book (epub like the current library books) but gonna wait til I finish the current book since I'm really into it and don't want ot lose it LOL and have to transfer again - some are limited ot the number of times I can transfer them

Date Posted: 7/29/2011 8:53 PM ET
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I think it's just the drm'd stuff - and harlequin did the mackenzie books and of course they drm every friggin' thing!

Yeah, DRM really sucks.

Thanks for letting me know what you think the problem is. I don't do library books on mine, but I might in the future.

 

Date Posted: 7/30/2011 5:35 AM ET
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well got the tech support and after 'juan' left me hanging and had my entire ereader jammed up by the time I reset and reauthorized...went back and he was gone so had to get another guy who walked me through it - had to re-initialize. he siad basically it just happens someimes..sheesh. wish I'd gone with nook but I do like this sony when it's working good..very light.

oh and I lost the harlequin collection - can read on the comupter but it wont' authorizxe for any readers now.



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