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Subject: Help with RC pls - senders keep cancelling
Date Posted: 12/7/2009 1:42 PM ET
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Hi everyone,

It's my first time posting to the forum and I'm hoping someone can help with my requestor condition dilemma.

I only have one RC condition: "I am not willing to receive books that are currently in a smoking home. Thank you!"

Recently, I've had a number of instances where the sender has cancelled the transaction because although they don't smoke, they got the book secondhand and can't guarantee it's always been in a smoke-free home. I tried putting the word "currently" in all caps after the first couple cancellations, but it didn't seem to help. Is there another way I should be wording my request?

Some of these have been wish list books, so it's a bit frustrating to have the sender cancel due to RC conditions when the book actually *does* meet the condition.

Thanks so much for your help!

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 1:49 PM ET
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Hi Linda,

I think your RC is very clear about what you want.

However, some people automatically decline any RCs out of fear of a RWAP or bad past experiences. Or they don't smoke, but they bought the book used at a yard sale this weekend and it's only been in their possession for a few hours or days.  

Maybe the "I'm not willing" sounds strong and demanding to some people. How about: 

 Please only send me books that are CURRENTLY in a non-smoking environment. Thank you!

 

Maybe consider turning off your RC for WL books? I don't have any RCs and rarely get a smelly book. (But then again, I have a poor sense of smell.)

Good luck :)

 

 

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 1:53 PM ET
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Hm.  That's a little baffling as your RC sounds perfectly clear to me.  Maybe if you add something like:  "Please note: If you received the book used, please send it! As long as no one in your home smokes currently, I would be happy to receive your book."

I know it's super redundant, but maybe it will clarify things.  Also - unfortunately, there are some people who turn down RCs no matter what they say.

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 1:53 PM ET
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Hmm. I think your RC is perfectly worded. I would accept it and I am not a fan of RCS in general. Maybe adding something about it's ok if they got the book used.

Also if you are the only wisher it's possible that some of these offers and turn downs could be coming from the same people.  It's it the same books over and over again or different ones?

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 3:13 PM ET
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I also have the same RC. I've had to tweak the wording of it a couple of times because at first I felt I was getting a lot of cancels too. I added wording similar to what someone else here suggested "I realize these books are used and may have been purchased from a lot of different sources. As long as it does not currently smell like smoke and is coming from a smoe free environment, please send it"

My cancels are few and far between right now so I think the extra wording helped. I don't understand people who automatically decline for any RC. The smoke one seems to be the most common one I've seen and being a non-smoker myself, I can relate. It's not meant to be offensive. On the other hand, I have had a couple people who had RC's a page long and I have to admit I was close to just saying "forget it" because it was ridiculous. I wondered if this person ever gets any books after someone actually muddles through their list of RC's. I wanted to PM them and tell them that I thought their list of RC's was a bit much, but I stopped myself as I felt it was not my business what they want to request, really. But I was a bit offended myself. My books are all in really, really good condition because that is how I like my books. And for the most part, the majority of books I've received are in similar shape. But I guess there are those people who do send books that should have been retired - I end up giving or throwing those away and just re-requesting the book in hopes to get a nicer copy. That is anal, isn't it?? LOL!!

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 3:17 PM ET
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There is an old thread about RCs that I found really helpful when revising mine.  I marked it as a watched topic to find it again.

http://www.paperbackswap.com/forum/topic.php?t=166150

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 3:52 PM ET
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I don't have any problem with RCs that state 'currently in a smoking home or environment' as we don't smoke, but the ones I turn down are those that say 'have ever been in a smoking environment,' as I get a lot of my books used and don't know their history so an RC written that way is turned down by me. 

I thought your RC was clear and I would have no trouble sending a book to you with that RC.  Good luck.  Pat

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 3:55 PM ET
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This is mine. I have only been turned down 3 or 4 times since I started using it.

 

I am not willing to accept books that are currently in a smoking household. If you or someone in your household smokes, please decline.

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 4:22 PM ET
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See I'd turn down all those RC's.  I smoke, but never ever in my house, but I wouldnt want to take the chance because some people are very sensitive to the smell of smoke and I feel like Id rather be safe than sorry.  Also, I myself cant smell smoke on books, I assume its because I smoke.  For me though I automatically turn down any RC with a smoking condition.

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 5:07 PM ET
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I have the same RC, but I added a second sentence that says something like "I understand that you may not know where the book came from before you, and I am fine accepting books from you if you don't know whether they were in a smoking home before yours."  I've only been turned down once, and that was by someone who was a current smoker, so I feel like it's been working for me.  I see lots of other people have had suggestions here that are also good ones.  I would steer clear of descriptions of how the book smells, as that tends to be more subjective and I think more likely for someone to decline.

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 5:18 PM ET
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Here's mine, if it helps, and I rarely get bypassed for it:

"Prefer smoke-smell-free books.  If you can't smell any smoke, send it and I'll take my chances :-)

I know RCs can be a pain, so thank you, very much, for understanding."

Hope this helps!

Shelly -
Date Posted: 12/7/2009 7:22 PM ET
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Here is mine. I have yet to be turned down for my RC.

 

I would like to receive books that are currently in a non-smoking home. Thanks so much!

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 8:40 PM ET
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Frankly, I'm happy when smoker's turn down my RC. 

But I'd change that "am not willing" to something that sounds less strict, more positive.  If you sound too negative, folks maybe hestitant. 

 

Mine currently is "Due to allergies, please, no books from homes with current smokers or incense burning.   Thank you."

Date Posted: 12/7/2009 9:24 PM ET
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I would turn down all these RCs also.  My husband quit smoking a few months ago but I was told in the forums that even the books I've gotten since then wouldn't "pass" if they're stored with the books I had when he smoked.  Like I'm gonna spend time trying to keep up with which books came into the house before or after...  not! 

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 9:02 AM ET
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Your RC is worded just fine.  When people deny due to RC, they can make a comment to tell why.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 10:43 AM ET
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I agree with the folks who said that the "not willing to accept" can be off-putting for some people. 

My smoking RC is:  "Please don't send books that have a strong cigarette smell.  Many thanks!"  I have never been turned down for this RC, and since I implemented it, have not received one smokey book.

Deb

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Date Posted: 12/8/2009 11:11 AM ET
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I think your RC is fine. It's going to get some declines, even from people who don't smoke. Some people turn down RC's no matter what. It's better to get acceptable books turned down than unacceptable books sent to you.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 12:03 PM ET
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I'm with Kimberly here:

"Prefer smoke-smell-free books.  If you can't smell any smoke, send it and I'll take my chances :-)

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 12:08 PM ET
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While I read and send out books to people with RC's, I would never send to someone who says "prefer".   Why even have an RC if you will still take books that might smell like smoke?   I would send a book to someone who says, "only from a non smoking home". 

"Please don't send books that have a strong cigarette smell.  Many thanks!"

This too, is subjective.  What is strong to you might be mild to a smoker or someone who lives with a smoker.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 12:46 PM ET
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The problem is that a person could buy a book at at FOL sale or yard sale over the weekend and post it the next day. If they themselves do not smoke, technically it would not be "currently" in a smoking home, but  it could have been in a smoking home a day or two earlier and still smell like smoke.  I'm not sure how long it would take for a smokey odor to go away.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 12:51 PM ET
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You might want to put into your RC "If you bought this book elsewhere, please have someone who doesn't smoke smell the book and if it doesn't smell like cigarette smoke, then I'm fine with receiving the book". 

I just purchased a 4-1 deal with a seller who PM'ed me and told me that she can't guarantee the books haven't been in a smoking household.  I asked her to smell them and if they smell fine, then send them.  She said they smelled fine to her so I told her to send the books.

 

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 12:56 PM ET
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Here's my RC:

Book must not smell like smoke, perfume or chemicals since I have allergies to strong smells.

I have yet to be turned down.  I have had one person PM me for clarification. 

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 1:57 PM ET
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If you added the have someone else smell the book RC I would turn it down. I would accept the way it was written (the way the OP originally had her RC). I think you've just run into a bad run of senders who turn down any and all RCS. I wouldn't accept the RC Kate has either. I have a horrible sense of smell and I'm not taking my book around to have someone smell it.  I also wouldn't trust my 12 yr old to give it a sniff test either. And what if it smelled fine to me but you insisted it didn't?  Then we're both annoyed.



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Date Posted: 12/8/2009 2:01 PM ET
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I would send a book to John's RC.  It's already stating that they are wiling to take their chances.  So if I don't smell smoke and he does I'm thinking he wouldn't complain because he said he was taking his chances and that he just wants to cut down on the smokey books.

I have to say do books really come that smellyI don't smoke so I usually feel pretty secure with the non-smoking ones it jsut depends on how its worded.  But I've received probably 1,000 books here between orders, BOBs, deals and games and not one has smelled like smoke.

Date Posted: 12/8/2009 2:09 PM ET
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I had to add an RC after I got this book that just reeked of smoke. So I don't mind being turned down by smokers whether they smoke inside or outside the house as the smoke does transfer to the books.

If the sender is worried about my RC, I'd rather be turned down. I've just been turned down twice by smokers. Then one last week that didn't like that I had conditions and should be willing to accept anything. I laughed at that one and was fine with her sending the book to someone else.

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