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Subject: Here we go again
Date Posted: 6/17/2010 5:38 AM ET
Member Since: 4/5/2010
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I had trouble with a member sending me a book that was ripped and taped. He called me a lier said I was to return the book at my cost, and said I was the one that  ripped it  so I could get a credit back but the worse he did was name me on him bookshelf listing and talk about me. I reported it and he was closed, now tonight I see he is back up again and he is still is talking bad aboutme on his profile notebook thing !! angry So I reported it again ~~

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Date Posted: 6/17/2010 9:10 AM ET
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yep just keep reporting him...sorry you are having such problems

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 12:10 PM ET
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This is one thing I don't like about the RWAP protocol.  It is the receiver who has to ask (beg) for a refund and try to prove to the sender that there is a problem with the book.  The receiver has to put up with being called a liar (or insinuations of lying) and being accused of trying to cheat the sender out of a credit.  I know that we can report abusive PMs, but honestly some are only subtly insulting, such as the time I was told that I was getting a refund against her better judgment because the book she sent was in perfectly good condition.  She requested pictures, which I did for her then she responded with, "Wow! So miniscule!" in response.  Now really, it's not abusive, but it's obnoxious and I get tired of having to put up with people like that when they are the ones sending the unpostable books. 

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Date Posted: 6/17/2010 1:31 PM ET
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I'm sorry you have to put up with this. Since TPTB have intervened on your behalf, all you can really do is report him until he gives up and goes elsewhere. Hopefully, he'll get bored soon.

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 1:33 PM ET
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Well I never got my credit back even after send ing pictures he denied it being his book and then said if it was I didnt like it cause it wasnt new and I ripped and tapped it ( hmmmmmmmmmmmm hard to find old yellow tape that still sticks lol ). They demanded that I pay to send it back to him and then he would give me a credit ya right......................... Every message just got worse so I marked it unresolved better loosing a credit then putting up with his name calling. So then he puts my name on his book shelf telling people not to send me books cause I will destroy them and want my credit back.................give me a break. So I reported him and they closed him down for awhile but saw today that my name and stuff was still on his profile so they took that off. I shouldnt have to be like the police checking a member to see if they are bad talking me oh well. It only takes a couple to spoil stuff doesnt it.

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 1:35 PM ET
Member Since: 2/13/2007
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Sheena, I'm with you! A lot of times I am tempted to not RWAP but I know it is my responsibilty to let members know when they are sending something that is not acceptable. About half the time the sending member is gracious about it, which I am always thankful for because I am not trying to scam anyone, but the other half are the ones I dread! The ones who accuse me of being "too picky", or trying to get a book for free, etc. etc., or who was doing me a favor by sending me the book they dropped in the bathtub "because it was such a great book and I knew people were waiting for it -- I really wanted to keep it, but I was just trying to share this great book with another member..." We have all been on the receiving end of that conversation, sooner or later.

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 1:52 PM ET
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Holy crap! I'm sorry you're having to go through this. Best to just not respond anymore and keep reporting any abuse to the powers that be...let them deal with him.


Date Posted: 6/17/2010 1:55 PM ET
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Ya I am . He didnt make any sense because why would I destroy a book that I could repost ???? He just knew it was bad and probably thought I wouldnt say anything and then it made him mad. Glad I have a Post Office box so he dont come looking for me lol

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 2:31 PM ET
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I had someone accuse me of the same thing the very first time I RWAP'd a book after I sent pictures of the damage.  I felt awful and it made me gun shy about rwaping anything, but at least this person didn't post things about me in public.  I'm so sorry this happened to you, and I hope it will die down soon.

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 3:07 PM ET
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I'm sorry, I've had someone accuse me of damaging the book myself too. Even though you know THEY are the scammers, it still hurts to be accused of something you know you didn't do.

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 3:50 PM ET
Member Since: 12/21/2007
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I've had the same thing happen--with a book that was so bad with staining that I had to throw it away. I got called everything under the sun and in the last PM was told that he "knew" I was a scammer. I ignored it although it hurt me. But then I started remembering all the wonderful and kind people I've met on PBS who send books that meet the site conditions and tell myself they far outnumber the bad eggs. It's not the people who make an honest mistake (I've sent books out that I missed damage on and refunded the credit(s)) who call the reciever a scammer. Only those who I suspect know they sent out a "bad" book.

The only problem is--I can't figure out a better way for the site to handle the  RWAPs.

Date Posted: 6/17/2010 9:33 PM ET
Member Since: 1/17/2010
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*hugs*  So sorry you have to deal with this.  It always sucks when the other person's in the wrong but they try to lay the blame on you, then you end up feeling bad even though you did nothing wrong.  But if they keep sending out books in that condition and others keep reporting them sooner or later their account will be closed down.  Karma.

Subject: Now I'm concerned
Date Posted: 6/18/2010 8:42 PM ET
Member Since: 6/15/2008
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I recently decided to post my copy of "Atlas Shrugged" as I have never been able to read more than a couple of pages.  The front cover has a crease and the back cover has crease with 1/2" tear.  I thought it met the condition of a good book...but does it?  When I consider that it's a paperback that is probably close to 50 years old, I think it's in excellent contdion.  Pages are tight, no sign of any liquid damage, but the cover shows some wear, but I don't want to lose a credit.  Is there an additional section with more detailed description of what is "un-postable"?

Date Posted: 6/18/2010 9:06 PM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
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Kathy your book sounds postable. If you look in the Help Center under Book Condition Criteria for 'Swappability' at PBS you will see the PBS criteria for postable though sometimes good judgement and common sense need to be used to define "in good condition' and "not excessively worn" because they can't descibe every situation.

Kay, as wrong as it is for this guy to be doing what he's doing, I recommend NOT going to look at his profile, shelf, or anything else he writes. I don't think you really need to worry about his bad mouthing you affecting your requests or membership. When people are looking at his profile or shelf they are considering ordering from him, have no clue who you are and don't really care what happened between him and you.,All he will do is make people nervous about requesting from him because he is showing what a fight they will have if there's a problem.

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Date Posted: 6/18/2010 9:10 PM ET
Member Since: 8/23/2007
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Wow I can't believe Atlas Shrugged is WL. I see this book all the time in thrift stores.  Next time I see a postable cheap one I'll have to pick it up.

Anyway since it's WL and you are worried about someone complaining-I would offer it in the book bazaar and state that it's an old copy and meets PBS guidelines but has the tear in the cover and the crease.  Then whomever orders will know ahead of time.  That's what I do when I have a WL book that's borderline postable-postable but has a flaw or two that a picky person might complain about.

Date Posted: 6/18/2010 9:28 PM ET
Member Since: 6/15/2008
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Well, the first WL request had the "non-smoking, no odor" RC, so I wouldn't send.  The book smells fine to me, but I've had it for so long it probaby was in a smoking home at one time!  I did receive another request and sent the requestor a pm outling the damage.  Seemed like a reasonable compromise to me.  This book is in much better condition than some I've received through pbs, but I've never complained...after all, they are USED books.  If it wasn't a WL book, I'm not sure I would have posted; most of my books that have any damage at all are donated to the spay/neuter group for fund raising.

Thanks for the help,