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Subject: Historical Crushes
Date Posted: 12/19/2007 7:59 AM ET
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I have a literary crush on Richard the Lionheart.

History deems he may have been gay (Quote Jerry Seinfeld, "not that there's anything worng with that..." ). Molly Costain's book "My Brother the Lionheart" doesn't even breech the subject, whereas Plaidy's "Heart of a Lion" is heavily influenced by Richard's relationship with Philip of France and hints at others and his lack of interest in women in general. Meanwhile, his reputation as a holy crusader and battle hungry warrior tend to contradict our present day image of homosexuals.

I would love for there to be some positive historical truth to those rumours and them show the US military that being gay doesn't mean you're a weak soldier or a pervert who will reek havoc within the ranks of "straight" men. If one of the bravest soldiers in history was gay, what's the big deal?

Gay or not, I think Richard is so complex and from all descriptions, he was very handsome. He's a very likeable historical figure (especially since he loved and respected his mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine, with great passion). Can anyone suggest additional books about him?

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 9:10 AM ET
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LOL, he was a pretty neat guy. Since I'm a weirdo with an Excel file that has my books referenced by who the book was about, I can check it to see if I've read any others about Richard. I'll see what can be found there and get back to you. I know that I've read more about him, but I can't think of any titles this morning. See, being a weirdo who cross references her books can come in handy occasionally! LOL

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 11:24 AM ET
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The Lute Player by Norah Lofts

 

Amazon Review:

This is the story of Richard the Lion-Hearted and the Third Crusade, but the miracle of it is that you see it not from Richard's viewpoint but from the viewpoint of a princess who loved him, her hunchbacked half-sister, and an ordinary lute player. Much of it is based on old legends and histories which makes it even more fascinating. Yet it is a tale which has a modern resonance because Richard, at least in this telling, was a homosexual.

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 12:37 PM ET
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Jennifer and Valli, THANKS!!!!

Goal #4: Read mroe about Richard the Lionheart

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 12:49 PM ET
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I was just offered "The Passionate Brood" , I think that's about Richard the Lionheart. 

My historical crush?  Prince Llewelyn in "Here Be Dragons". Swoon.

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 12:53 PM ET
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I have a book on my huge TBR pile that you may not have heard of:

"Lionheart" by Martha Rofheart

Haven't read it yet (obviously) so don't know much about it, but you might want to check it out.

My copy is former library and a little bit dirty, so I would be glad to pass it on to you for free when I'm done with it.

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 4:14 PM ET
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Well, I'm not much help...I had the same books listed that others have already mentioned.

I thought Zoe Oldenbourg had one that featured Richard, but maybe I was wrong because I don't have it listed.  Jack Whyte has a Crusades trilogy, but I don't know how heavily if focuses on Richard. I haven't read these yet.

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 6:07 PM ET
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I can't help you with the Richard stuff but I had a literary crush on Mr Darcy.  Of course that intensified after seeing Colin Firth (swoon) on that role.  For some reason I've had a crush on Robert Dudley as well, naughty boy as he was;  BUT before reading anything about him I saw Joseph Fiennes play him in Elizabeth and MEOW!  I probably associate Dudley with Fiennes.  ;)

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 7:07 PM ET
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Ohhh Beverly. I have been wanting Lionheart forever!!! LOL

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 7:20 PM ET
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I'm with Michelle---oooh, Mr. Darcy, though I'm sure it's because of Colin Firth in P&P.

I love reading about the Knights of the Round Table, so I guess they'd be a literary crush for me, in addition to a whole slew of characters in books too numerous to mention!



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Date Posted: 12/19/2007 7:31 PM ET
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I would love to read some more books about Richard as well. 

As for my literary crush, William Marshall all the way!!

 

Date Posted: 12/19/2007 9:22 PM ET
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William Marshall is up there too. I agree, Daphne. I was thinking of him too when I wrote the OP. As for Robert Dudley, there was always something a bit off about him that prevented me from having a literary crush on him. Don't know what...

I would love that Lionheart book of Bev's too if it could somehow find it's way to me down the list...

I'm adding all these that aren't already asap to my WL, especially the Passionate Brood.



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Date Posted: 12/19/2007 9:59 PM ET
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Marci, I have some of Pamela Kaufman's books in my tbr...if I remember correctly Richard is a supporting character in two books.  She wrote The Book of Eleanor that was a good read.

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 5:42 AM ET
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edward black prince of wales :) forever and always

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 7:58 AM ET
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Yep, Michelle is right; Richard does make a few appearances in the Kaufman trilogy. I thought those were really fun to read books.

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 1:41 PM ET
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I'm going to be the voice of dissention - I HATED Pamela Kaufman's "Book of Eleanor" - I thought it took way too many liberties with the story, I was pretty squicked out.

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 10:59 PM ET
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"squicked out" -- lol!

Date Posted: 12/20/2007 11:05 PM ET
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Hmmm... I looked up the three books in the Kaufman trilogy and just from each synopsis they do seem to have some serious liberty-taking with the history, as Mimi noted. I might give 'em a go for the Richard factor tho ;-)

Date Posted: 12/21/2007 8:47 AM ET
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Yep, that is why I said they were fun to read. The books don't really focus on the history, but they are fun, adventurous stories. Kaufman deliberately manipulated the history to make it fit her main characters adventures. Honestly, I don't remember John making more than one or two short appearances in these books. I may be wrong though...It's been a while since I read them. Robin Hood makes a short appearance too. For me, that was what made this story fun. I enjoyed these famous people popping up during the main characters life. These are definitely not books that you'd read to get a sense of real history. They are purely for entertainment purposes!

I haven't read Kaufman's book Eleanor, so can't comment on it. You'd think, though, that since she was writing about a real person with this book, that she'd try to stick with as much of Eleanor's real history as possible.

Date Posted: 12/21/2007 10:25 AM ET
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Ooooh Robin Hood. Another historical literary crush. And it has practically nothing to do with Carey Elwes or Kevin Costner.

Date Posted: 12/21/2007 12:07 PM ET
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Hm... I guess I don't really have any historical crushes... But then, I tend to try to find books about anti- heroes, people we are not supposed to like or people who just really have no "sex appeal." haha

Date Posted: 12/21/2007 1:45 PM ET
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Carey Elwes is always on my "list" I love him!

Date Posted: 12/21/2007 10:35 PM ET
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Hey, I forgot about Ivanhoe by Walter Scott! You can find your man there too. ;-)

Date Posted: 12/24/2007 4:59 PM ET
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Ooo, I am dating myself, but Robert Taylor as Ivanhoe - yum!!  I really (truly) was only a kid, but that man was gorgeous!  Valli, I gave the book to my stepson for Christmas - coincidence huh?  When I was a little one in Britain, every Sunday afternoon there was classic movie on TV,  I loved it and am still a big fan of the oldies, and probably cut my "history" teeth from that.

My literary man is Arthur, in all traditions, Oh and Robert Bruce.

Cheers, Happy Holidays everyone,

Margaret

Date Posted: 1/8/2008 3:30 PM ET
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I don't know why, but I seem to have a deep connection to George Washington and the who revolutionary war thing.  I don't think it's a sexy attraction, it's more a deep admiration and or maybe a past life thing...I've always been fascinated with that time period.

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