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Subject: How do I know if Im ordering a MMPB?
Date Posted: 3/16/2010 3:23 AM ET
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I HATE mass market paper backs. I cant stand them AT ALL. I THOUGHT they always listed as such but I ordered two paperbacks THINKING I was ordering Trade paperbacks and they show up MM. Ugh is there no way to tell? Do I need to put this too in my requester conditions? I wish there was a way to tell before I order (and get them in the mail).

Please if you have any info I would love some advice.

 

I know there have been questions about what the two types are. This is helpful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperback

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 4:00 AM ET
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The best way to not recieve the Mass Market Paperbacks is to put it as a condition. That way the sender knows.

 

This was in the help center:

 

You may want to use Requestor Conditions because of health issues (allergies) or personal preferences (you like dust jackets with your hardcovers, or you prefer mass-market paperback size to Trade size paperbacks)



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Date Posted: 3/16/2010 4:29 AM ET
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OK, I was hoping there was  a less "demanding" way about it. I hate having to be so particular. I cant really explain why I cant stand them they just really put me off. Its weird.

Anyway, thanks. :)

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 4:34 AM ET
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NP :) I'm Not a huge fan of MMPB Myself. But I dont get many through PBS so when I do get em I just repost them normally

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 4:37 AM ET
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Some publishers use the same ISBN for both Trade and MMPB.  So even checking the edit book data does not help.  (Go to the other options button and pull down to see edit book data.   The expected weight and size are listed.)

But do define the size / term Trade if you put it in a RC. 



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Date Posted: 3/16/2010 7:44 AM ET
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You could also do some research on your own before requesting the item to try to eliminate MMPB.  Look the ISBN up on Amazon or some other book site to try to find further details to book size.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 8:20 AM ET
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are you talking about those taller books?  I don't like them either but I didn't know what they call them.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 8:22 AM ET
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I never minded mass market paperbacks but I have to say that lately some of them have the print so close to the inside edge of the page that they are annoying to read.  I still order MMPB, but I have to admit that trade paperbacks have a much better feel to them. 

If you're trying to avoid MMPBs, I think it's worth looking at the "edit book data" to see what the listing shows.  It's true that it doesn't guarantee a trade paperback, but if I was using conditions to avoid MMPBs, I would prefer to at least start with a likely trade paperback version.  You would probably get fewer refusals that way and save a little time and hassle.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 8:28 AM ET
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Suggestion:  if you do put it as an RC, I would suggest a brief explanation of what a Trade Paperback is (or, depending on how you word the RC, what an MMPB is).  I know it has something to do with the size (height?) of the book, but never remember which is which. 

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 9:59 AM ET
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I have to add that I probably would have to reject such an RC, because I truly do not know the difference between the two types of paperbacks.

And if in doubt , I reject the RC.  So I would have to say.  'Not sure if it meets requestor condition, therefore have to decline'.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 10:25 AM ET
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I recommend you first research the book you want and figure out if there is a trade paperback version (a lot of books go from hardcover to MMPB without a trade version in between). Having an RC won't help you in the case where the trade paperback and the MMPB have different ISBNs because if you wish for the MMPB without realizing and put an RC, then everybody will decline it.

Now, in the case where the trade version and the MMPB have the same ISBN, an RC could help you - that is, assuming that people know the difference between them.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 10:55 AM ET
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are you talking about those taller books?  I don't like them either but I didn't know what they call them.

The taller books are the Trade size paperbacks. I've seen them referred to as "Quality Paper" as well. Not sure why, maybe because they're made slightly better than Mass Markets?

Mass Markets are the smaller, shorter books. I think they used to be referred to as "Pocket editions."

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 10:56 AM ET
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Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be an easy answer.

PS - Have I been a book geek for so many years that I can't imagine not knowing the diffrence between MMPB & TS?  I must need to get out more lol!

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 12:07 PM ET
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The latest MMPB I checked out of my library is Stella Cameron's latest "Out of Body".  I was really looking forward to getting the book.  Unfortunately I think that it is a trend in the industry.  The type is smaller and they have printed 35 lines per page instead of the normal 30-31 lines per page.  That saves them money by having to print less pages.  And that trend just might kill the MMPB.  I have been resisting going towards an E-Reader because the books are expensive to buy and my library didn't have a great selection.  But now that my library has joined LIbrary2go, which is nothing but E-Books, I just might spring for a Sony E-Reader.  The reason for switching to an E-Reader will be to be able to increase the type size.

I don't think I understand this trend in the industry.  I have read that older people are the most likely to read paperbacks and if they make them harder for older people to read, they will lose their audience.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 1:47 PM ET
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I prefer Trade Paperbacks as well, and will usually try to order a book with a later publication date, if there are a lot of editions, to try to get a trade paperback.  But, sometimes I end up reading a MMPB (right now, I'm reading one, in fact) 

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Date Posted: 3/16/2010 5:18 PM ET
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Just a thought but I'd check the book on Amazon and go by the price.  Sounds silly but mmpb tend to run around $7.99 and the trade size are in the $10 to $15 range.  That might help you make a selection.

I'm the opposite - hate ts and want mmpb.  Trade size or hardcovers are difficult for me to hold.  I have a couple of book holders but haven't one that's comfy yet.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 5:25 PM ET
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Okay, I know what a mmpb is and have the same complaints as some other posters about the print size & quality.  And I love the trades -- they seem to be better made of higher quality materials (for the most part).  But what is that weird hybrid size called?   Same width as a mmbp, but with a height that's in between mmpb/trade.  Those are ugly AND unwieldy to read, IMO, and thankly, I don't get them very often.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 6:06 PM ET
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I have a difficult time reading MMPB books because of arthritis in my hands...here is how I worded my RC and I've not had any difficulties with it.

1.     Please No Mass Market Paperbacks - these are difficult to hold due to arthritis and the smaller print size is more tiring to my eyes.  (MMPB are the size of a Harliquen Romance)

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 7:24 PM ET
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Leslie, the only "official" name I've seen given to those is "premium-size mass markets".  I personally refer to them as bricks, because the proportions are the same.  The type on them is supposed to be a little larger and easier to read, I haven't actually read enough of them to notice, though.

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Date Posted: 3/16/2010 9:48 PM ET
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I personally refer to them as bricks, because the proportions are the same.

Lol, so true.  And as unwieldy as bricks, too.

As others have said, size is the best way to tell - MMPBs are around 6.9 by 4 inches - and price is another indicator, generally $7.99 for adult titles.  Amazon is a great resource because it not only gives you that info, it lists all the formats a book is/ever was available in (click on "show X more formats" if it's there) - sometimes over a dozen editions are shown for oft-reprinted books.  Occasionally I use Barnesandnoble.com; they generally carry more versions of a book than Amazon.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 9:52 PM ET
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My mom loves the "premium-size mass markets" as they are easier for her to hold and the type much easier to read.  Personally, I tend to prefer MMPB because I carry a book everywhere I go and hardbacks simply hurt my back if carried around in a purse or messenger bag too long.  I have noticed that I read books with cleaner, slightly larger type faster, but can still manage to trudge through the space saver tiny print ones also, just at a slower pace.

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 10:16 PM ET
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Im am greatfull for all the responces.

I provided a link in hte OP to help define the two types of paperbacks.

 

Here is the basics.

Everyone knows a hard back. So we start there.  Trade paperbacks are made by the same printers as the hard cover editions. They will also be the same size as the HC edition.  A MMPB is a mass market paperback. Smaller print and smaller book. Often sold in places that will not carry "other" book formats. Like drug stores and airports. They are made of cheaper paper and sell for about half the price as a hard cover.


So MMPB are cheap and small

and TPB are big and less cheap.


LOL

I think I will put this in my requester conditions BUT I will explain the difference and hope no one gets irritated.  :)

Date Posted: 3/16/2010 10:30 PM ET
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I'm so glad I logged in tonight. I'm with Denise L.  I have been reading and reading since I learned how, and I never knew there were specific names for the types of paperbacks.  Hubby pretty much only reads the little paperbacks and avoids the bricks if he can.  I will read pretty much any of them.  Now, I know what each one is called so that if someone asks specifically for a particular kind, I'm a little more educated.  I'll have to keep this marked so I can refer to it when I totally forget.



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Date Posted: 3/17/2010 2:50 PM ET
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I would slightly amend Firethorn's description of trade size. They are not always the SAME size as the hardcovers, but trade size will always be at least CLOSE TO THE SIZE OF THE HC, IF NOT QUITE AS LARGE. The also tend to be in the 8-8.5" x 5-5.5" range, whereas MMPB are almost always withing 1/4" of 7" x 4"  Can somone make a respectable RC out of that?

Date Posted: 3/17/2010 3:13 PM ET
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"Leslie, the only "official" name I've seen given to those is "premium-size mass markets".  I personally refer to them as bricks"

Thanks, Diane!  And they are like bricks!

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