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Subject: How can a member have an over-200 wishlist?
Date Posted: 3/28/2011 6:57 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/28/2011 7:11 PM ET
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I didn't think anyone could have more than 200.  Whenever I hit the 200 mark it tells me NO NO  LOL

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 7:13 PM ET
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I think it's possible you were looking at their shelf and not their wishlist - there's no way someone has that many books on their wishlist. 

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 7:27 PM ET
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You might once in awhile have more than 200 (but only maybe 201 or 202). If a wishilst book goes lost and your wishlist is full--i.e. you added another book to your wishlist because the book coming to you opened up a spot and you filled it, you would be put back on the wishlist for the missing book. I've had that happen to me once and I was at 201 for about a week. However I couldn't add any more books to my list at that time.

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 7:29 PM ET
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Well the WL use to be unlimited.  It's possible that this member was one of the original members and was grandfathered in somehow.But I don't think they did that. I think everyone had to trim it down to 200 by a certain date.

It's possible that this person is testing a new WL for hte site.  They were talking for a long time about making the PBS WL similar to that on Swapadvd.  They usually test things like that out with a small group of members before introducing to the whole group. This allows them to work out a lto of bugs and tweak it before a full launch.

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 7:31 PM ET
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Or was it a blue link in someone's signature or a booklist? If so then it could just be a list they made for themselves and not their actual WL.

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 7:33 PM ET
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Date Posted: 3/28/2011 8:22 PM ET
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Hmm.  Then they were either grandfathered in when the WL was changed, although I didn't think they still let anyone do that or with that many books, or they are beta-testing a new WL for PBS.  I have no idea how they choose people to test these things out. It's possible that they choose peopel who don't hang out in the forums and therefore won't be "discovered" by the very vocal forum regulars as having this extra feature or whatever before anyone else. 

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 8:49 PM ET
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Learned somethings new today. I am new and will listen more and learn from others. Thanks everyone, for sharing.



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Date Posted: 3/28/2011 10:13 PM ET
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Didn't someone ask about this before, and there was some sort of reply about PBS doing some beta-testing with certain members allowed more on the WL? (Maybe the 'new' wishlist that has been rumored for years? LOL) Can't recall for sure....but speaking as someone who had a huge wishlist when the 200 limit was imposed--no, we were not grandfathered in! I had to pare mine down like everyone else. I have had up to 205 on my WL, but that was due to cancelled orders, lost orders, RWAP all at the same time.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 10:53 PM ET
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All I know is: I WANT!

Date Posted: 3/28/2011 11:26 PM ET
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All I know is: I WANT!

yes

As far as how the Team picks who beta tests things... I know in a previous question on the subject the responded that some members were randomly selected for Beta testing.  So it sounds like it's just luck of the draw. 

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 12:49 AM ET
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I have never heard the Team say anyone was beta testing a larger wish list (I've seen member's guess that, but the Team hasn't ever said that as far as I have seen).  When the wish list was dropped down to 200 if people didn't cull them on their own, PBS cut them down to 200 for them.

The only way I have ever seen the Team explain WLs larger than 200 is through WL offer cancellations, RWAPs, and lost books. If I request 10 Wish List books, refill those spots so I am back up to 200, and then those books go lost, I will get my spot back in line on those 10 books and will have 210 books on my WL.  But I wouldn't be able to had more to my  WL until I got back down to 199 again.

I've seen people get 20-30 extra books, but to have 134 requests go wrong all at once seems quite unusual. I wouldn't call them lucky for having that big of a WL, I'd call them very unlucky.

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 2:16 AM ET
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Except, I don't think the Team always says when they're beta-testing something new, especially something big, even to leading members of the site. I mean, how many times have we seen changes made that nobody except a select few (if that) knew about in advance? And, it seems extremely unlikely for someone to have 134 things go wrong with wish list requests in what would need to be a fairly short space of time. Otherwise, I'd assume that some wishes would eventually be granted and the number wouldn't get quite that high.

If they ARE beta-testing a new wish list, that's definitely something they'd keep strictly mum on, especially given the rather extreme opinions some members have expressed on the issue. They'd test it to see if it works, make a decision on whether they were going to implement it, and then just drop it in place. That way, once it's done, it's done. Whether people liked it or not, they'd live with it, most likely with a minimum of any kind of real fuss (outside of the forums anyway). Just like with some past changes that were made that weren't always popular with everyone. Then, just like with every other change, people would soon get used to how it works and it would be business as usual.

Plus, if I recall correctly, this isn't the first reported case of someone stumbling on another member with an insanely high number of books on their wish list. So, it's a valid theory. It just isn't anything more than a theory, unless/until something new happens.

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 2:40 AM ET
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If I were Stephanie, I'd just PM her and ask how it's possible.   Seems like a simple way to find out to me.

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 7:57 AM ET
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Cozette,

That's probably what I'll do. I just wanted to check here first in case there was a simple reason I was overlooking.

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Date Posted: 3/29/2011 12:40 PM ET
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If PBS is beta testing something, then the testers have almost certainly signed a non-disclosure agreement, which means they can't talk about it here. The Team would not tell you that there's a beta going on unless you also signed the NDA, and then you couldn't post their answer here either, so I don't think you're going to get much satisfaction if you write in and ask if there's a beta in progress.

A book gets added to your wish list if:

  • it's lost in the mail
  • marked received with a problem
  • you request the only copy in the system, then another member wishes for the book, then sender declines your RC
  • sender cancels for some reason other than your RC and it's the only copy in the system
  • sender ignores your request and it's the only copy in the system

You can get a lot of extra books added to your wish list if you look for those that have only one copy in the system and order them. It's pretty easy to do this with book browser (search for posted books, sort by # posted ascending).

If you did order the singletons, a lot of requests would go to new members who have changed their minds about having accounts, so your requests would be ignored or declined. If you also had slightly strange or very strict RCs, then you'd also get a lot of cancels for that. None of these things would flag your account, and you could end up with a pretty big wish list pretty fast.

Now, why anyone would want to do that is more of a puzzler for me than how she did it.

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 1:51 PM ET
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I really really doubt that one could get a 300+ wish list from declined requests/RWAPS/books lost in the mail. (legitimate ones, that is)

For example, books lost in the mail amount to less than 1% of books mailed (PBS had that in their help files a while ago, don't know if it is still there). Lets say 40 of her WL over 200 is from lost books ... that would mean that she would have had to order 4000 books in order for 40 of them to be lost in the mail legitmately.

And how about RWAPs? I've ordered 800 books myself and would say that no more than 10% would fall into the most strictest RWAP interpretation. I doubt that the site has an overall RWAP percentage of anywhere near 10% .... but if we use that as a number, then to have another 40 books added from RWAP, she would have needed to order 400.

So, now we are up to 4400 books ordered in order to get to 80 added back to the Wish List legitimately.

Books from declined orders do not go back on the Wish List unless they were on the Wish List initially. If you order a single copy book that is in the system and your order is declined, the book goes to your Reminder list, not the Wish List.

I think everybody who is guessing that this is some kind of beta or exception account is correct. I just don't see how that many over would realistically be possible, otherwise. Unless you have also hit on an extremely active account, ordering books by the thousands. I suppose thats possible.

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 2:36 PM ET
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I think if your WL is full and you request an only copy of a book that's cancelled, declined for whatever reason-if your WL is maxed out then you have to wait to add it.  It will only go over the limit wiht adding them if it was a WL book to begin with that was offered to you and then lost, timed out, RWP and you added a book to replace it in the meantime. 

Sianeka - ,
Date Posted: 3/29/2011 3:23 PM ET
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I remember  asking about a member who had a 300+ WL, and I was told that the person got the extras added on the usual way: through Lost books, RWAP, declines, etc.  This person swapped a LOT here, constantly sending out and ordering new books (thousands!) and also had very-rarely- posted items on their WL, so they almost never lost any spots on it because the books they want are not swapped here very often, if at all.

So, at the time, I was feeling that the person with the 300+ WL was not lucky to be able to have those slots, but extremely UNLUCKY.  And they are never, ever going to be able to add a new book to their WL if they find something new they want.  (Because they'd have to delete 100+ books just to free up one slot.)

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 4:29 PM ET
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Stephanie, if you do ask, please come back and let us know how that happened!  Please!

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 4:45 PM ET
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Interesting...

Any chance it's a school or one of the PBS donation causes?  Maybe they are allowed larger wishlistes?

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 5:16 PM ET
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Stephanie said the latest was added today, guess that could still happen, but wow, just wow. lol Hope Stephanie comes back and lets us know what the member said.

Date Posted: 3/29/2011 5:19 PM ET
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I accidentally discovered a person with a wishlist over 300 a while ago, I would say at least a year ago.  So it's not necessarily something new.  Either their Beta testing is taking a l-o-n-g time, or for some reason they've chosen to let a few people have longer wishlists.  All we can do is be envious (and I am!).

I agree that there is no way that you could have that many through the usual cancellations, etc. 

Diane

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