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Subject: How does one go from #1 to #10 on a wishlist???
Date Posted: 6/12/2011 10:04 AM ET
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It isn't an earth-shaking matter at all and I know that.  Just wondering how it could have happened.  Last month I saw that one of my favorite authors had a new book coming out in a few months.  I went to amazon for the isbn and put it in here.  The book came up and I was the very first to wishlist it.  Today I was cleaning out my wish and reminder lists and noticed that I am now # 10 for that book.

How?



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Date Posted: 6/12/2011 10:08 AM ET
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From the Help Center

This happens when another member who was "ahead of you" in line previously (and who got an offer of the book already) gets back into line, for one of several reasons:

  • The member's Wish List book never arrived, and was declared lost in the mail
  • The member's Wish List transaction was canceled by the sender
  • The member had had her account on hold, and has now returned from vacation and unHeld her account. She will go back into line at her previous position when she does this: if she was "ahead of you" before, you will move back a space.

Please be assured that we would NEVER put another member ahead on the Wish List without good cause--in order to go ahead of others on the Wish List, a member MUST have Wish Listed that item earlier (on an earlier date) than they did.

Date Posted: 6/12/2011 10:21 AM ET
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I thought of all of the usual reasons that this could happen also, but Reasons #1 and #2 don't even apply in this case.  The book isn't out for a few more months.    So only #3 could apply.    In order for #3 to apply, all of the following would have had to to happen:

1)  Each of the wishlisters that got bumped ahead of her had to have wishlisted the book prior to Bonnie S - and remember that Bonnie was WL#1 originally.

2)  Each of those wishlisters that got bumped ahead of her had to have then put their accounts on hold BEFORE Bonnie S wishlisted the book.

3)  Each of those wishlisters then removed that hold sometime in the past month and therefore got bumped ahead of Bonnie S.

Possible, but highly unlikely.   Unless someone else can think of a reason, I think it's a glitch and you should contact PBS.

Date Posted: 6/12/2011 10:36 AM ET
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If you WL a book and it says that you re #1, it will still say you are #1 even if there are  a bunch of people ahead of you in line but on hold.   So you may not actually be number one.  I put my books on hold and take them off all the time.   If I am the only wisher and I put it on hold, it will say when you look at the book that there are *0* wishers.  Which is not actually true, because I am in line but on hold.

So unless you got to the posting immediately after it was posted online, you may not really be #1.  There still may have been some people that were faster than you and got in line and then put it on hold.

At least that has been my experience.  If I am mistaken, let me know.  

My guess is that 9 people ahead of you took their books off hold. 

 

 

 



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Date Posted: 6/12/2011 10:39 AM ET
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The real question is: Was bonnie really and truly # 1 in the first place?   I know it 'says" she was #1, but was she really?  Or was she just #1 while all the other people had their books on hold?

Date Posted: 6/12/2011 12:08 PM ET
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Hey, thank you for all the thoughtful replies.  I wasn't expecting such interest!!

Anyway, I'm telling you, the book didn't even show up here when I immediately tried to search for it after reading it was coming out.  So, doesn't that mean no one else had previously searched.  So, leaving that page open, I searched on amazon, came back and inserted the isbn and bingo, there was the book.  I clicked the wish button and I was #1. 

I then posted the info in a thread for others who might want the book...and watched the numbers go up because I had nothing better to do that day. 

Anyway, thank you all again, really.

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 6/12/2011 12:52 PM ET
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There was this thing that used to happen right after you wished for a book, where the system put you at #1 for a minute or two, then you got inserted at the correct point in line. It had to do with the databases that PBS uses for different screens taking some time to get synchronized properly. I haven't seen that for a long time, and there haven't been any recent threads here about it, so I kinda thought it had been fixed, but now I wonder if that's what happened to you.

The book in question is not "The Ballad of Tom Dooley" is it? That's on both our wish lists, and I am definitely #1 in line for the hardcover and have been since 2/28/11 (my account was on vacation hold for a few days in April). You also have the audio book on your WL, which I don't, so could it be that you are #1 for that version, and #10 for the hardcover?

Date Posted: 6/12/2011 1:43 PM ET
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I agree with Lynn, 10 spots is a big shift for a book that's not released yet.  If Cathy's scenario isn't accurate, I'd be tempted to ask TPTB...even if your #10 position is accurate, at least you will know what happened.

BTW - what's the release date of the book?  I put a hold on most of my wishlisted books that are not yet released.  About a month before the release date I 'unhold' them (because some retail outlets shelve books a week or two early).  If I have a low wishlist number, I often put them on auto-request too.

So...if the release date is near, it is possible that wishing members ahead of you are unholding their wishlist.

ETA - I've never seen that thing where it appears I'm the first wisher for a book then FIFO later shifts me to my actual position.  I see the number of current wishers for the book (obviously less those on hold), then if I refresh the page I see another added that represents my wishlist.



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Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 6/12/2011 2:30 PM ET
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Denise -- that temporary #1 thingy occurred (occurs?) on your My Wishlist page, not on the book details page. You can't see your own place in line on the book details page.

Date Posted: 6/12/2011 2:41 PM ET
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Anyway, I'm telling you, the book didn't even show up here when I immediately tried to search for it after reading it was coming out.  So, doesn't that mean no one else had previously searched.  So, leaving that page open, I searched on amazon, came back and inserted the isbn and bingo, there was the book.  I clicked the wish button and I was #1. 

Sounds like your first search was not by ISBN? That could be why the search didn't return anything the first time, not that it wasn't in the database.  Unless it was a pretty obscure author, Wish Lists tend to start almost as soon as the ISBNs are released these dats.

As discussed in another thread, there are a lot of people people who wish for unreleased books and then put them on Hold on their Wish List until it gets closer to the release date If you added the book to you Wish List while the first part of the line was on Hold, you would appear to be #1 when in fact you are not, may not even be close. The shifting that Cathy talks about also happens from time to time, since the screen you see at first isn't refreshed immediately and you won't see your real spot in line until it refreshes.

Date Posted: 6/12/2011 3:03 PM ET
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Well, again I say, thanks so much for the well-thought-out responses.  I'm thinking Cathy might be the closest, and yet, the idea that folks put these pre-releases on hold and them take them off as the time approaches makes a lot of sense.

Sooooo....like I said earlier, I know this is not an earthshattering event by any means.  Just curiosity on my part.  It definitely said I was #1...at least now I am telling myself, well maybe not....  But I do remember being so tickled by that silly #1.  #10 isn't bad, and I will definitely keep my eye on it to be sure I don't drop any lower on the list.

Yes, I did not search originally by isbn.  I did assume that if the book was not already WL'd that it wouldn't come up until someone went to amazon, or wherever, got the isbn and inserted it on PBS.  Some misty memory of reading once about the databases being linked and amazon would stimulate PBS in some way so it would show up once they were linked.



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