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Subject: How to request a book be added to the system?
Date Posted: 4/2/2010 2:51 PM ET
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So I have a book that I would like to post (that has an ISBN) but doesn't look like it's in the system. Is there someway to request it be added?

 

Thanks,

Ginger

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 2:54 PM ET
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The act of searching for a book will often trigger the system to update itself. So, try your search again after a few minutes.

Alternatively, you can enter all the book info yourself (even for a book with a real ISBN) by going to the "Post Books" link on your account. If the ISBN is valid but not in the system, it will pull up a Book Data Editing page for you to fill out. (watch out for typos, since you are the person entering all the data).

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 3:48 PM ET
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What Sara said, so long as you actually have the book in hand. 

But totally discouraged if the book hasn't been released yet, there's currently a bunch of books with short and/or incorrect ISBN's in the PBS database because members couldn't or wouldn't wait until the correct info was available to pull into PBS.  Lots of members are wishlisted for these short/incorrect ISBN's that will be disappointed and frustrated when their wishlist isn't moving.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 4:39 PM ET
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i believe that PBS pulls their database from Amazon...pretty much if the ISBN is valid on amazon then it will be on PBS. if it's not on amazon, you have to wait until it is

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 6:36 PM ET
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Deborah, the OP didn't say if it's a new or not yet released title, or an older book that for some reason isn't already in the sytem. 

If it's new and the publisher hasn't released the ISBN & book info to places like Amazon, it's much better to wait until the data is legitimately available.

For an older book, oddball publisher, or just a glitch, PBS has established methods to post these books. But first Ginger, try the regular method a few times (wait & try again) to see if PBS search engine has found and imported the ISBN.



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Date Posted: 4/2/2010 6:58 PM ET
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Short ISBNs are really just PBS code, giving each item a place in the database.  Using the Post Books Without ISBN option is for editions (like some book club editions) that don't list ISBN's, as well as books printed prior to the ISBN era.  The short number assigned to non-ISBN books comes automatically, from PBS, so it's not as if people are manufacturing their own fraudulent ISBNs or anything.  If there are members posting yet-to-be-released books, they are doing so against PBS policies regarding Advanced Reader Copies.  Still, the vast majority of the books posted with short ISBNs are simply books that don't have an ISBN listed but are completely acceptable.  It is true, however, that it's not usually good advice to Wish List such a listing, as they are meant to be used only once, by the member who generated the listing. 

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 8:06 PM ET
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If she's got the book in her hands and she's trying to post it, odds are its been released. Even if it were an ARC, they are almost always released under the HC ISBN these days and those have been added and the Wish List 100s of people long well before the ARC is ever put out. Just because Amazon doesn't list the book doesn't mean that PBS shouldn't have a listing for the book. That process does get a bit abused sometimes with people wanting to get in the WL line first without even having a title to a book, so they use the posting process to force the book into the system.

But someone with book in hand should certainly use the posting option.  Usually, just because I am too lazy to type the information, I will try to post it at least a few times over a couple of days to see if I can prod the system to find it. If not, when you try to post it PBS should see that it is valid, but unlisted and give to the option to enter all the information for the book. Just fill in the fields and it adds the book under its true ISBN to the system.

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 9:58 PM ET
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Thanks guys for all the replies. The book in question is a Susan Branch scrapbook recipe keeper. So it is a binder that comes with lots of inserts, dividers, stickers, and cute pages for you to add your own recipes. (Someone gave it to me for Christmas but I would rather have a cookbook than a book to write down your own recipes.) It still has all the plastic shrink wrap & a sticker on the back with a long & short ISBN & barcode. Can't find it on amazon or half.com This kind of thing would be acceptable to post on here, right? Thought I had seen another blank recipe keeper book in my searches on here....

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 10:46 PM ET
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I would kind of lean towards it not being postable on the site. This sounds more like supplies collected in a binder than a book.  I know blank journals are not postable here and things not bound as a book aren't postable and this sounds like a mixture of the two. You could possibly send in Feedback using the Contact Us link in the lower left to get the site's determination, we'll all be nothin' but big fat opinions.



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Date Posted: 4/2/2010 11:09 PM ET
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Gotcha. Thanks Melanie!

Date Posted: 4/2/2010 11:49 PM ET
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Unfortunately Ginger, Melanie is right.  Those are fabulous starter kits for a recipe book, but probably not postable.  Although you might work out a deal in one of the forums or book bazaar. 

James, there's been increasing misuse of short ISBNs for popular upcoming releases, so I try to post information whenever it might fit the discussion.  Impatient members come across an upcoming title from a favorite author - before book data is available to pull into the system. So instead of waiting for the real data, they open a short ISBN...other members discover it and unknowingly wishlist the wrong number.  Then thinking all's good, they don't go back and check for the correct ISBN...it's a big mess.  I've seen several hundred wishers for a short ISBN, at the same time as a mere several dozen for the correct book...leads to wishlist frustration, b/c it's unlikely that sending members will post under the wrong listing.  A complete misuse of PBS short ISBNs, who's proper use is for books published without an ISBN (or without a unique ISBN)...which is just what you said  :)



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Date Posted: 4/3/2010 12:19 AM ET
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Ginger, sending you a PM.

Debbie

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 2:51 PM ET
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There is a book about Michael Dunn the actor (Dr Loveless from The Wild Wild West), that was released and is available on Amazon.  I tried to WL it here but it doesn't list it as existing even.

 

So do they get their ISBNs from Amazon?  And if they do...would this be a glitch in the system?  I'll probably order the book from Amazon but I'd love to have it as a WL until.


Any suggestions?

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 2:55 PM ET
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Big Life of a Little Man, Michael Dunn Remembered - ISBN 1615664424 . . . is this your book?

It's in the system now.  Copied the ISBN from Amazon, then opened Advanced search and pasted the number...came right up.  Rember, TPTB have recently changed the search buttons, so if you switch from 'books posted' option to 'all books' you must now go all the way to the bottom of the box for the retry button.  The button in the middle now clears all information.



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Date Posted: 4/3/2010 4:24 PM ET
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Rember, TPTB have recently changed the search buttons, so if you switch from 'books posted' option to 'all books' you must now go all the way to the bottom of the box for the retry button.  The button in the middle now clears all information.

Yeah, that confused the heck out of me until I realized what had changed.  There's now an 'update results' button at the top of the fields, too.

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 10:47 PM ET
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Thank you so much, Denise.  Yes, that's the book.  I didn't know that you could get an ISBN from Amazon. 

 

I noticed that the retry button was all the way to the bottom.  I thought I just forgot where they put it because I kept hitting the clear button.  lol

Glad to know it wasn't just me.  ; )

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Date Posted: 4/3/2010 10:58 PM ET
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For some reason a lot of nonfiction books I've come across in Barnes & Noble's bargain section aren't in the system.  At first I thought I must've copied the ISBNs wrong, but when I search them on b&n.com it pulls up the books just fine - though nothing comes up on Amazon, which is probably why it doesn't come up on PBS.  I'd like to wishlist some of them... is there anything I can do other than search for the ISBNs every few days?

Date Posted: 4/3/2010 11:34 PM ET
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Thank you gals very much for discussing the changing of those buttons on the search page. I thought I must be losing it, because I keep hitting the "clear this" button and meant to resubmit. I kept thinking they must have reversed them, but could not for the life of me decide if they had and I was just losing it, or if they had just did this to mess with our heads!!! Wonder why they felt they needed to change something that's been that way for so long!!! Oh, well, at least I know it's not my mind.

Sorry for the hi-jack, too :)

Date Posted: 4/4/2010 1:38 AM ET
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Had me pulling out hair one day also Sherry, ready to scream because they were books I knew were in the system!

Danyun, Barnes & Noble prints some of their own books.  They also import books, which is why some of their ISBN's are not in the American data bases. 

ETA - Is your book in the system now Ginger?? 



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Date Posted: 4/5/2010 10:15 PM ET
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Actually Debbie wanted it so I worked out a deal with her to include it as a freebie.

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Date Posted: 4/6/2010 12:16 AM ET
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Thanks Denise, guess I'll just keep trying occasionally. :)

Date Posted: 4/6/2010 12:42 AM ET
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Might be worth checking that one with TPTB Danyun.  Not really sure where there data base pulls information from, many of us assume it's Amazon.  Ask what they recommend for your B&N title, can't hurt & might help  :)