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Subject: How can I trade
Date Posted: 3/5/2009 10:57 PM ET
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I have an extra hard cover copy of "Breaking Dawn" by Stephenie Meyer. I would like to trade it straight up for a HARD COVER copy of "Twilight" by Stephenie. If I post my book, it will immediately go on a wishlist hold (currently over 500 wishlists list Twilight in hardcover) , I'll get a credit, and probably have to wait  years to get the hard cover version I seek.

Any ideas how the website can facilitate one-one-one trades for particular books? For instance, I have Book X and I'll swap it for A, B, or C?



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Date Posted: 3/5/2009 11:22 PM ET
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*resists the urge to rant about Twilight*

Im still new and learning but, as far as I know, you cant make such a trade like that. Anyone who has the Twilight book you seek would post it to the site and the first person in line on the Wish List would get it. But if Im wrong, someone please correct me.

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Date Posted: 3/5/2009 11:49 PM ET
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There is no way to do what you want on this website.  If you are dead set on a trade, what you might consider doing is selling your copy on Amazon and then using the money to buy the other book.

Date Posted: 3/6/2009 12:24 AM ET
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The only way I can see to do it here - would be if you had a Buddy that you could post to their WL and they post their copy you want to your WL.  Otherwise it's FIFO or nothing.

Ruth

Date Posted: 3/6/2009 12:29 AM ET
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T. G.

Your of selling the book on Amazon would work. Very good suggestion. I probably will have to use this way to get the book I want. But I think that a lot of us want to deal with this website and not Amazon unless we have to. I buy all too many books from them, (but never sold any) and want to do as much  of my book procurement from PaperBackSwap.

After a little thought, I think there might be a way to do this on this website. A new forum (or propose a trade screen) could be established where trades could be proposed. When another members agrees to a trade, they could order another book from each others Bookshelf, get a shipping label and mail the book agreed upon in the trade. This involves trust by both sides to follow through with the agreement.

I'd wish instead that the website come up with way for the members to record the book they want to trade (so others can search by title, author, ISBN, etc) and list the book (or books) they would accept in trade. The member who is willing to make the trade, would indicate which book they have and a willingness to trade. (Something like Box of books transactions??) Paperbackswap would handle the request/acceptance process once both parties agreed.



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Date Posted: 3/6/2009 12:39 AM ET
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considering that PBS has a current interest in keeping the FIFO system as full as possible of the most desirable books  - I doubt they will consider making such a forum or system - but you can certainly suggest it to them.  You just wrote to them at the "Contact us" link at the bottom of the page!

Ruth

Date Posted: 3/6/2009 7:55 AM ET
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I'm not up on Twilight. But usually the WL lines on those really popular books like that move very quickly. Especially if there is a movie connected to them.

Box of Books if for what you suggested. Trading a book for a book instead of a credit.  It's just that there's no way to invovle WL books.  They want WL books to move FIFO as much as possible so I don't see them changing that. 

You could try putting it in your signature that you want to trade the one for the other. 



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Date Posted: 3/6/2009 1:33 PM ET
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We already have box of books for Book for book trades. I do not believe that this in any way allows you to "jump" the wish list line, however. There really isn't any way around it that would not break site rules, not that I know of anyway. Also, you might be surprised how fast the lines for extremely popular books move.
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Date Posted: 3/6/2009 2:32 PM ET
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Yes, as stated above, PBS does have a book trade for book capability but only using Box O Books function.  And since that works by trading bookshelf books one to the other, WishList books are excluded because they never 'land' on a bookshelf.  There is no other way on PBS to do a Book for Book trade - you need to go through FIFO and use a credit transaction.  That's how PBS is set up.

But, also as stated above, very popular books like the Meyer books can FLY through a WishList line sometimes.  I got the hardcover last Harry Potter book I wanted really quickly when it first came out, even though I was something like 636 in line when I Wished for it...

Date Posted: 3/6/2009 3:11 PM ET
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Can we swap books for books directly with other members on this site?

Yes, but only if you both subscribe to Box-O-Books.

  • "Creditless" swaps are permitted ONLY between two Boxers.
  • Using the PBS site to conduct an under-the-table book-for-book swap without using credits would be in direct violation of PBS policy, and would put both members' PBS accounts in jeopardy.

Why is this?

  • We have worked very hard on this site, and it has cost us (and continues to cost us) a great deal of money. The Box-O-Books service is one of the few sources of income the site has generated to offset our financial losses, and we are still deeply in the red. Without some financial support we will not be able to continue the club. We are trying to keep the site free for our members, and Box-O-Books was one innovation intended to help us do so.
  • PBS relies greatly on the "honor" system among our members. We are pleased to say that the majority of PBSers are honest and above-board; if that were not so, the club could not continue.
  • We hope that the rule makes sense to you, and that you understand that we are not being unfair or greedy. It is simply that if enough members did this, we would have to close down the club.

 


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Date Posted: 3/6/2009 4:30 PM ET
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::resists the urge to say, "Use the Force, Skywalker":::: :-)

What Liesl and SIaneka and Marcia said -- check out the Boxers for book-for-book swapping.

Cheers,

Catt

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 10:45 AM ET
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You could try bookcrossing.com,I have traded books there before.

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 11:30 AM ET
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From what I see donated at my library Twilight should be a very fast moving WL.  Loads of people bought that book and I know alot have been posted into the system.

It could take a few months but it wont take years.

IF you haven't already put it in your WL, then do so and just watch how you jump up the line. After two weeks you should have some idea how fast the line is moving. IF its not moving fast enough then, yeah buy the book.

 

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 11:47 AM ET
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Thanks for all who had suggestions.

I used to be a Boxer, but found myself inundated with requestes for books from members who had no books I was remotely interested in or already had. I considered it very time consuming with little return for the time spent reviewing other members Bookshelfs. I've been a member now for almost two years and have received nearly a thousand books from PBS and another book club, so most of the books I want now are not currently available, meaning that the likelihood of a Boxer having a book I want is remote, much less several books.

I love this site and would not want to jeopardize my standing in it by anything under the table. That's why I asked how could it be done.

And Marcia T, I sincerely sympathize with the need for funds to continue the website. I'm not opposed to paying a membership fee. I feel that many members who swap frequently, like me (PBS is my home page), would feel likewise. Here are some suggestions, under the premise of "Let those who benefit from a service, pay for the service."

(1) New memberships to PBS are free for a period of time (say 6 months or a year). Then an annual (?) membership fee of $5 to $20 is imposed. This lets the new member become comfortable with PBS and realize its value to them. This is a common business practice. The business retains some members and, unfortuately, lose some, but the membership fee allows them  to stay in business. Let those who play, pay.

(2) Charge to the requestor of an item a nominal fee for each item, say a dime, to be deducted from their PBS account. Alternately, charge the sender of an item the dime fee, to avoid possible sales tax issues for members. (The State of Ohio tries to collect sales taxes on internet purchases. If I'm mailing a book and pay a fee and postage, that would not be a purchase).

(3) Ask for donations, particularly from large volume swappers.

(4) Encourage members who buy from Amazon to come here first,  find the book, and click on the link to buy it from Amazon so that when they from the item from Amazon, PBS gets a referral fee from Amazon.

(5) I frequently use BookFinder.com to find new and used books at the best price. It is a powerful search engine that links me to sellers of a book and this site subsists entirely by referral fees. My point is if you expanded your links to other book sites (Barnes and Noble, AbeBooks, etc) leading to a purchase you'd increase your income that way.

This financial part was off topic, but I'm sure all of those reading these words want PBS to be viable as it is now a part of our lifes.

 

(Updated for clarity and non-sensical wordings. Alas, I'm a poor proofreader).

 

 



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Date Posted: 3/7/2009 12:12 PM ET
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John,

I was a boxer at one time too and I mirror your thoughts on it.  Wasn't worth my time.

I also want to point out to you that my last post was a copy and paste from "Help Docs".   I didn't want to see anyone do something that would get them suspended from the site:)



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Date Posted: 3/7/2009 12:28 PM ET
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I would have no problem paying a yearly membership fee. 

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 1:03 PM ET
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I think that because of FIFO (and most {?} of us prefer FIFO) BoB isn't a good alternative.  However, if you are a reader of many of one type of genre that has LOTS of books in the system - then BoB works well.  John has put his finger on why it doesn't work for most members.

I'm not against a membership fee either.  I'd prefer that to some other alternatives.  PBS already has the buy a book from Amazon through PBS link which gives PBS a tiny amount of $$.  I prefer to use Amazon for new books over other sites because I'm a Prime member and don't have to pay shipping fees. Shipping or postage fees put most used books out of my price limit.

Marcia - I agree with your position - but PBS does allow member to member posting to WL.  It isn't something they like - but it is something that helps defray postage costs.  So apparently there is some room for doing that even though most of us never do.  It's most helpful if the members are Buddies with similar book tastes and WL's - I guess that's where the similarity index comes into play.  I don't like being put in the position of  'being in danger of being suspended" for stating what is currently allowable even if it isn't a preferred avenue of trade.

Ruth

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 1:28 PM ET
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Ruth I think what Marcia is referring to isn't so much the posting of WL books to a buddy, but the outright credit-less swapping of WL books. The site does not allow people to ask for postable WL books anywhere in the forums, that CAN get your membership suspended if you repeatedly do it.

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 2:51 PM ET
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There are 2 easy ways to donate:

Friends of PBS page accepts donations of credits or money.

I know some folks buy a BoB membership them immeditely put it on hold.  This has the benefit of not only donating money, but also, if you end up wanting to do a book-for-book exchange it's legit.  Even if you don't go through the BoB interface.

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 4:18 PM ET
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The only way to trade one WL book for another WL book without credits legitly is if you're in one of the swaps over in the games forum.  There are frequently WL swaps going on.  Of course, you'd have no guarantee that you'd get the WL book you want in return.  You do put down a credit deposit to play in the game but that's returned to you once the book you send out is received.

I do feel your pain John.  I think it'd be fabulous to be able to say "I have X book that's wishlisted and want to trade it for Y book that's wishlisted".  It wouldn't have to be creditless either, each member would post directly to the other's WL.  Too bad PBS doesn't allow us a way to connect with others that have WL books we may want so we can do that.

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 8:35 PM ET
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I don't do the games thing (I'd probably get addicted to them!), but I thought that the games weren't to use WL books either.  You never know when a book (old or new) will suddenly become WL'd, but I thought that when you entered a game the books weren't to be WL'd at that time.  Anyone want to clue me in?

I understand that the regular or irregular as the case may be of trading books for books (WL'd) is not an "approved" practice.  I also know that Buddies who know each other's WL can post to each other's lists.  I doubt that the pristine condition of the two books would last much longer as it's traded around - but it is something that can be done - probably only once, hopefully.  While I wouldn't recommend anyone do this as a practice here - the question was asked - how could he do it?  That's the only way it could be done within the system.  I like the FIFO system.  I don't want anyone to compromise it.  But the practice does exist.  If it shouldn't exist - then it should be made specifically against the rules.  I would imagine that the only people that would be interested in these books in the pristine condition described are collectors.  With so many people wanting and reading these books I don't think they will be collector's prizes - but some people collect.  That's the real value in the books - that and the fact that there aren't enough in circulation within PBS at the moment to satisfy the WL'ers.  But I don't think it will take long.

Ruth

Date Posted: 3/7/2009 8:38 PM ET
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You can use WL books for games. Sometimes the game requires a WL book.  It is such a small percentage of members that play the game that it doesn't really hold up the FIFO lines at all. In fact it might help with them because when someone wins a WL book in a game they can remove it from their WL and will probably repost it after they read it.  Also a lot of gamers will by one of their WL books to use in a game which takes them and the person who wins it out of the line. 

I just rejoined BOB today.  I felt like I wanted to payback PBS in some way.  I already donated some credits so I decided my BOB fee might be of better use.  Of course I have books I haven't read on my shelf and have BOB offers for them already.  But I posted books my library has so if I can't read them quickly I can get them there.



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Date Posted: 3/7/2009 10:02 PM ET
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Of course you can use a WL book in a game!  It's your book.  Like Mary said, some games are ONLY for WL books.  Most of the Erotica themed swaps are strictly WL books since those don't tend to make it into the PBS system.

The hostess of the game picks the rules.  As long as your book fits those, you can use it in the game.  Whether or not it's on WL.