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Subject: Instructor's Edition Textbooks
Date Posted: 3/10/2010 11:13 AM ET
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Is it legal to post Instructor's Edition textbooks on PBS? 

My father-in-law is a professor and recently gave us a HUGE stack of chemistry textbooks to sell (for our benefit, not his). Most of them are instructor's editions, which are a pain to sell, a lot of websites won't allow it. 

These are kind of like ARCs, in the sense that they were a gift from the publisher, so if PBS doesn't allow ARCs due to ethical issues, then I would understand Instructor Editions being illegal. 

But PBS says ARCs are not allowed because they may contain errors (I get the impression they don't want the receiver to be disappointed). With instructor's editions, they are the exact same book the students have, they just tend to have additional notes on the margin regarding additional materials the instructors can use to illustrate their point, common misconceptions students might have, etc. 

Some of these are still worth good money and I will try to sell them, but others are a few years old and not the latest edition, so it's pretty much not worth the effort to try and sell and get a few dollars out of them. 

I know some people might disagree on the ethics of this. I know the publisher says ship them back to them if you're not going to use it, but most of these are old enough (1-4 years) that the publisher would probably just recycle them. I would rather see the books go into the hands of someone that will use them, even if all I get out of it is a PBS credit (which is really losing money since these will cost more to ship than just buying a credit). 

Date Posted: 3/10/2010 1:18 PM ET
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I don't know the legalities of it, but if they say they need to return them, I would probably recommend calling the company and discussing disposal of the older ones with them. I know the site prohibits books that come from the hotel loaning libraries because those are the property of the hotel and state on them that they should b returned. I guess it would depend on whether these are considered property of your FIL, or if the publisher gives him usage rights for teaching and it is still considered their property.

Date Posted: 3/10/2010 1:49 PM ET
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It's just pressure the publishers put on teachers, there are no actual laws that prevent the books from being resold. PBS cannot get in trouble for an instructor's edition being traded on their site, but they can chose whether or not their policy prohibits it. I can't find anything in their FAQ about it though. 

Date Posted: 3/10/2010 2:35 PM ET
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Do they have ISBNs? I assume they would probably be the same as the student edition though. Maybe you could offer them in the Book Bazaar. ARCs are allowed for trade there, so I would think teacher's edition textbooks would be too.

Or since it's a textbook and PMs are usually sent before sending them if they have writing or highlighting, maybe you could PM and let them know it's the same text, just with some extras. That way they can decide for themselves whether they want it with extras or not at all. I used a couple teacher edition textbooks in classes I later had that I got at used book sales on campus. I paid a $1 for them at the sale and saved myself a huge amount by using them instead of buying the student edition, new or used.

Date Posted: 3/10/2010 3:40 PM ET
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Most of them have their own ISBNs that are different from the student ISBNs. I doubt they are in the PBS system, some of them are not online anywhere. I don't mind making new listings, I just don't want to get in trouble if these are not allowed.

Date Posted: 3/10/2010 4:26 PM ET
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Well you can always contact PBS using the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of every page and ask them about it.

I just remembered something I read here in the forums. If you get the go ahead to post them, you can create a tag on the student edition pointing them to the teacher edition that you have listed. That way if the student edition isn't listed, they can order the teacher edition if they don't mind the extras. :)

Date Posted: 3/10/2010 8:42 PM ET
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Becca, I see no reason they can't be posted to PBS (especially with individual ISBN).  Many homeschoolers post textbooks, including teacher editions, so these shouldn't be any different.  If text pages are highlighted/written on, you will need to use the 'textbook clause' of swapping guidelines.   If you choose to advertise your teacher books in the Book Bazaar, remember there's also a Homeschool forum where you may also find some interested PBS members.

According to PBS, the problem with ARC's is they are sometimes not identical to the final edition as edits and rewrites can still occur (and the binding is usually different).

Date Posted: 3/11/2010 8:22 AM ET
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I had some teacher's editions of text books that I posted, and the ISBN were in the system.

You might not be aware - but teacher's editions are *Hugely* popular with home school parents!  And like someone else said, the publishers may say they should be sent back, but no one ever does this. They just end up in landfills if you send them back.

So, you might try Craig's list for the ones  you want to sell, and post a note in the home school and teacher's forums for the ones you post.

Date Posted: 3/11/2010 4:19 PM ET
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They are college-level chemistry textbooks, so I am not sure how much the homeschool community would be interested, but I'll give it a shot.

Craigslist is not an option for me, I live in the middle of nowhere, I think I am over 2 hours from a 4-year university. But I did find a website that is brave enough to buy/sell teachers editions and international editions: textbooksrus I sent them a box of the more valuable teacher editions yesterday, hopefully they don't screw me over. Listed the regular editions that were worth anything on amazon and half.com, now I just have a stack of about 8 books to move. I will work on listing them in the PBS system, and will post info in the book bazaar and homeschool forums. 

 

Thanks!

Date Posted: 3/11/2010 5:51 PM ET
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"These are kind of like ARCs, in the sense that they were a gift from the publisher"

The complimentary issue is not what makes an ARC unpostable. The fact that an ARC may not be the final complete book is what makes it unpostable on here.

What exactly makes it unpostable on other sites? The fact that it is technically supposed to be returned? Because the complimentary fact shouldn't have any bearing on any of the other book sites around either. It would seem to me that it has to be the return policy on them that is the issue. Much as someone else mentioned the Hotel lobby books not being postable, because there is actually a return policy on the books.

Also, the writing in the sidelines doesn't keep them from being postable either, just requires that the requestor's approval be obtained before the book is actually mailed. Textbooks can be posted with highlighting and writing, but require aapproval before mailing, and I would expect a teacher's edition of a textbook to follow the same rules.

ETA: To avoid any problems with posting or someone receiving, I would definitely contact PBS to make sure it is acceptable. To do so, use the Feedback form found on the Contact Us page below, under the Company column.



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Date Posted: 3/11/2010 11:44 PM ET
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What exactly makes it unpostable on other sites? The fact that it is technically supposed to be returned? Because the complimentary fact shouldn't have any bearing on any of the other book sites around either. It would seem to me that it has to be the return policy on them that is the issue. Much as someone else mentioned the Hotel lobby books not being postable, because there is actually a return policy on the books.

Also, the writing in the sidelines doesn't keep them from being postable either, just requires that the requestor's approval be obtained before the book is actually mailed. Textbooks can be posted with highlighting and writing, but require aapproval before mailing, and I would expect a teacher's edition of a textbook to follow the same rules.


I think part of it has to do with amazon and half.com wanting to play nice with publishers. Also buyers might not like paying for a book that has huge letters on the front that say "THIS BOOK IS NOT FOR RESALE"

There isn't any writing in the books I have, many instructors editions are annotated, so in the case of these books it is just additional blue text that is added by the publisher in various places.
Date Posted: 3/12/2010 12:27 AM ET
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Becca, ARC's are also usually printed with "THIS BOOK IS NOT FOR RESALE" on the cover.  But I frequently see them at UBS for sale (all the time). 

IIRC the only legal issue is whether or not the seller(original ARC recipient) has a contract with the publisher not to sell, trade, or dispose of ARCs.  If so, the original seller can loose their contract with the publisher.  Otherwise (last I heard) there is nothing enforcable regarding that resale notation on or in books.  If anyone has better information, please feel free to correct me!!

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Date Posted: 3/12/2010 1:14 PM ET
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I used to teach at a college and received many, many instructor's edition textbooks, attempting to get me to select them for my courses. Nearly all of them came with a polite letter asking that they be returned to the publisher if I decided against assigning the book. There was no obligation to return them, however. I also have instructor's editions that came as freebies because I assigned the book and certain minimum number of student editions were ordered by the campus bookstore.

I don't see any reason why these books could not be posted on PBS.