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Subject: Interesting....
Date Posted: 11/28/2007 9:01 PM ET
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I dropped off three books at the PO yesterday after using the automatic postal service and adding the suggested postage from here.   All three books were in my mailbox, returned to me today, with 18 cents postage due for each.  One was a children's book, one a paperback and one a hardback...

This is the first time i've had anything from here (PBS) returned for additional postage and found this interesting...they were all being sent Media mail.  I'm just going to add stamps and drop them back off in the am...will this be a problem, do you think???

Date Posted: 11/28/2007 9:11 PM ET
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Did you use the full postage wrapper or the "just DC" wrapper? If you used the "just DC wrapper" you are supposed to add the .18 before dropping them off at the PO. They money you paid, if you used the "just DC wrapper" is for the expense for PBS to get the DC#, track the transaction with the DC#, and the ASSURANCE that you will get your credt because of the DC#.

If you used the full postage wrapper then that just doesn't make any sense, and you need to see the Postmaster at your PO, because you paid the DC with the printed wrapper. Someone at the PO needs to learn the rules.

ETA: Postage questions really should be asked in the Postage forum, where you will probably get faster and better answers because members who are postal workers are there monitoring and answering  :)

Last Edited on: 11/28/07 9:12 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/28/2007 9:18 PM ET
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Sorry for posting in the wrong forum, If there's a way to delete this topic I will be happy to move it, if you think that's best. :)

Anyway,  I only print the DC from here and get the postage amount from the po;  I've done this for all for all of the books I have mailed and subtracted the amount for the DC; because I didn't know there was a "fee" being charge and that it didn't cover the full postage amount...I guess I'm lucky more of the books I've mailed haven't been returned because of this :)  From now on, I'll just get the full postage, without getting DC from the PO; that's much easier for me since I have to make a trip there to send the books anyway.

thansk for your help.


What does ETA stand for??

Last Edited on: 11/28/07 9:19 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 11/28/2007 9:24 PM ET
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Edited to add.....I think

Why don't you try the prepaid postage from here and then all you have to do it drop it in the blue box.........

Date Posted: 11/28/2007 10:00 PM ET
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How much are the fees for the prepaid postage from here?

Date Posted: 11/28/2007 10:29 PM ET
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I think it's about a total of $2.76 to mail an average book, I can't remember the breakdown, but that is with the DC charge as well.  If you do postage from this site, you have to use DC.  When you use this feature you get your credit instantly once you mark your book as being sent.  I always wrap the book first and then weigh it on my scale to make sure that the suggested weight from this site is accurate.  But, remember that when you transfer money to this site from paypal, there is a 50 cent transaction fee.  So, you have to add up all of that and see if you think it's worth it.

Date Posted: 11/28/2007 10:33 PM ET
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just remember if you decide to use DC and buy it from the PO and not here that if the book goes lost you aren't assured a credit.  Only if you buy DC from here (with or without postage).

I don't use DC and maybe I'm just lucky, but I haven't had a book go lost yet.

Date Posted: 11/29/2007 2:11 AM ET
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Try to add enough to do at least a couple weeks worth of postage and that .50 transaction fee doesn't seem as big when you spread it across several books. Here is some info from the Help Center (gray tab above in the header) I typed Printable Postage to the FAQs about Printable Postage There's more info there, but I copied just what you needed for this question. You can read more in the HC by clicking the link. (The INSTANT CREDIT on top of the ASSURED CREDIT is a big bonus for many.)

Why use it?
  • Printed postage means you can mail your package as you like.  The USPS regulations that require packages over 13 ounces to be handed to a postal worker in a Post Office do not apply.
  • Printed postage means no fussing with stamps, no standing in line at the Post Office.
  • You will also get Instant Credit if you print your postage through PBS--you will get your credit when you mark the book mailed by clicking the "Book Has Been Mailed" button on the request.
How do I use it?
  • Just click Print Wrapper on a request, and the Wrapper Settings page will come up.  You can choose the Print Postage option on that page
  • You need to have PBS Money in your account to use printable postage.  You can add PBS Money to your account in the Kiosk (using PayPal or a credit/debit card).
How much does it cost?
  • The Printable Postage fee is 43 cents.
    • PBS gets 27 cents of this
    • Endicia, our printable postage provider, gets 16 cents.
  • The fee to USPS is 18 cents (for the electronic DC). 
    • Delivery Confirmation is required by USPS for all printable postage, so the option to print postage without DC is not available.
Is there a monthly charge to use this option?
  • No.
How is the postage estimated?
  • According to the dimensions of the book, which are provided to us in our database for books listed with an ISBN, and which the posting member enters when posting an item without an ISBN.
  • The PBS system will automatically choose the best  rate to send your package: packages up to 7 ounces will be printed with First Class Postal Rate, and packages over 7 ounces will be printed with Media Mail rate.
Is the postage estimate always correct?
  • Usually, but not always.  Database inaccuracies can cause some errors.
  • It is wise to have a postal scale to check the package weight.  You can correct the weight estimate on the Wrapper Settings page, and this will adjust the postage that prints out.
Does the least expensive postal rate always print automatically?
  • Almost all the time.
  • The one exception is for packages between 6 and 7 ounces (more than 6, up to 7): these will be printed as First-Class rate although it costs 2 cents more than Media Mail.  The difference is tiny, and the benefits of First Class postal rate include (usually) faster shipping, return service and forwarding service if necessary.  So First-Class will print out for packages of that weight.
What about packaging materials?  Does the database estimate of the package weight include the added weight for those?
  • Yes.  A small amount for packaging materials is included in the estimate of the package weight automatically.  As long as you don't package your books in heavy cardboard or put rocks in the box with the books, this extra allowance should cover normal packaging materials.
What if I just want to use Printed Postage, and not the Delivery Confirmation?
  • Unfortunately, this is not an option.  USPS regulations require DC with all forms of printable postage.
When will I get my credit if I use Printed Postage?
  • You will get your credit instantly, as soon as you click the Book Has Been Mailed button.
  • You will get an email telling you that you have gotten credit
    • You will also get an email telling you when the book has been marked received; you will not get a second credit when that happens.
  • If your book is declared lost in the Mail at PBS or is returned to you by USPS for some reason, you get to keep the Instant Credit.
How will I know I have gotten my credit for using Printed Postage?
  • You will get an email from PBS telling you that you have gotten credit
    • You will also get an email telling you when the book has been marked received; you will not get a second credit when that happens.
  • You will be able to see the credit in your Credit Registry, linked from the top of your My Account page.
How does Printed Postage differ from the PBS Delivery Confirmation feature?
  • With PBS DC, the postage is NOT printed on the wrapper--you need to add the postage yourself.
  • With Printed Postage, the postage IS printed on the wrapper.
  • With PBS DC, you get your credit for sending a book as Quick Credit--when the DC barcode is scanned by USPS and the information is transmitted to the PBS site.
  • With Printed Postage, you get your credit instantly, as soon as you mark the book mailed.
  • With PBS DC, you pay 27 cents (to PBS, from your PBS Money) + 18 cents (in postage on the package) = 45 cents over postage cost.
  • With PBS Printed Postage, you pay 27 cents (to PBS, from your PBS Money) + 16 cents (to Endicia.com, from your PBS Money) + 18 cents (to USPS, from your PBS Money) + postage (from your PBS Money) = 61 cents over postage cost
  • With PBS DC you must mail packages over 13 ounces by handing them to a postal employee.  This is a USPS National Security regulation.
  • With PBS Printed Postage, you can mail packages over 13 ounces from dropboxes and your outgoing mailbox--the printed postage is trackable, so the USPS regulation does not apply.
  • With both features:
    • you need to have PBS Money in your PBS Money account
    • you can track your shipment from your My Account page
    • you get Guaranteed Credit (if your book is lost in the mail or damaged, you still get credit for sending the book).
    • you still need to mark your book mailed before the deadline to prevent the transaction from cancelling.
    • Both PBS DC and PBS Printed Postage are optional features.  You do not need to use them to send a book.
Date Posted: 11/29/2007 11:55 AM ET
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thanks for all of the detailed info; I just added funds to print the postage from here for a bit and see if that works better for me; although it isn't showing the funds yet, and I instantly purchased them from Pay Pal  :)

Date Posted: 11/29/2007 12:20 PM ET
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I love printed postage. I get my credits when I mark the book mailed PLUS I can mail them in my PJs and slippers. Well I wore my slippers to the PO this morning (I needed stamps) but my feet were really really cold.

Date Posted: 11/29/2007 2:02 PM ET
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I'm confused... When you print out the wrapper, it tells you exactly how much postage needs to be put on the package.  Is that the amount of postage that you put on it, or did you subtract 18 cents from the total given to you on the wrapper?