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Subject: isbn shows up as different edition in PBS
Date Posted: 11/6/2010 1:43 AM ET
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Just listed a book under its ISBN, but it shows up as a hardcover while mine is a paperback. I tried many different ways but it just won't show both ISBN and paperback edition. I've left it for now but am unsure what to do about this. Any tips? BTW, it shows up the same in amazon (as a hardcover under this ISBN). The book is "Into the WIld" by Jon Krakauer.



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Date Posted: 11/6/2010 1:59 AM ET
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Here's an excerpt from the help doc called "solutions to common book posting problems", ChristiAne.  (An ARC is an Advanced Reader Copy of a book.)

 

Problem: You enter the ISBN on your paperback and the book Listing Preview says "hardcover".

Explanation: This means one of two things:

1.  Your book is an ARC

If your book is a paperback, and the ISBN brings up a Book Listing Preview that says "hardcover", please check your book to be sure it is not an ARC.   If it is an ARC, it cannot be posted for swapping at PBS.

Solution: You can offer this book to others in the Book Bazaar Discussion Forum, but you cannot post it to your PBS bookshelf.

2. The publisher chose to assign the same ISBN to more than one version of this title.

Publishers sometimes choose to assign the same ISBN to multiple versions of a book.  However, PBS can attach only ONE booktype to the listing for an ISBN.  If your book does not have the booktype assigned to the ISBN in the PBS database, you will need to post it with a customized listing, using the Post a Book Without an ISBN link on the Post Books page, so that the booktype matches your book.

Solution: You will need to post this book with a customized listing for the book, using the Post Books without an ISBN link on the Post Books page.

Date Posted: 11/6/2010 8:51 AM ET
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You need to get the book off your shelf and repost it without an ISBN-after you make sure it's not an ARC. 

Date Posted: 11/6/2010 10:19 AM ET
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Thanks Patty and Mary, that is very helpful.

However, I cannot delete the book from my bookshelf because it is on a wishlist hold (there is an exclamation mark where the check box for deleting would be). How can I delete it despite this?

Thanks again. I haven't run into anything like this before, quite puzzling frown

 

 

Date Posted: 11/6/2010 10:34 AM ET
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Well, I doscovered the "mail to a friend' button and thought I could maybe use that to fake'mail the book to myself and take the book out of the system that way. But it just takes me in circles between continuing the porocess and editing the address. Still trying to get that book deleted.

Date Posted: 11/6/2010 10:39 AM ET
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WOW! I alos contacted PBS help and they answered within minutes on a SATURDAY. So great!!!

Thanks so much everybody. PBS ROCKS!!!!!!

Date Posted: 11/6/2010 10:39 AM ET
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You just need to click on the box to the right and then the Delete button in the upper right of your bookshelf.

Date Posted: 11/6/2010 11:39 AM ET
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You can't check the box and delete if it'son WL hold.  If they didn't cancel it for you then when the book is accepted, hit I Cannot Mail For Other Reasons.  That'll cancel it and remove it from your shelf.  If it looks like it's going to time out then put your shelf on vacation to keep it from moving to the next person. THen you can do the the check mark and delete.

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Date Posted: 11/6/2010 12:27 PM ET
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Well, I'm too late.  I was going to suggest you contact PBS and you did that yourself.  Isn't it terrifc that someone is there on a weekend?

When it's on WL hold you have to wait for it to be accepted and then canceling the transaction would take it off your shelf.

Also, as Patty said if you have a book that's coming up with a defferent binding you have to use a PBS ISBN for your book.  Publishers do use the same ISBN for different editions at times.

Subject: I thought ARCs were big, white-covered, Trade sized paperbacks?
Date Posted: 12/8/2010 1:17 PM ET
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But according to this thread it sounds like they can look like regular MM paperbacks? How do you tell?

Date Posted: 12/8/2010 1:51 PM ET
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The ARCs that I have seen have been trade sized paperbacks. They can have just plain colored covers, but sometimes the actual bookcover design is the cover. The ones that I have seen usually say somewhere on the spine or the covers "Release date 11/09" or something to that effect.  Many of them have had additional labels like "Advanced Review Copy" or "Uncorrected Proof" etc somewhere on the covers.

The ones that I have seen also have publisher information on the back cover, and information about contacting the author's agent to use quotes in reviews, etc. In other words, not the usual verbiage that you see on the back of a regular released book.

I've never seen an ARC that was mass market sized. I don't know if they are released in that size or not.  I think it is more typical to get ARCs of upcoming hardcover releases.



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Date Posted: 12/8/2010 4:13 PM ET
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I've come across a few ARC in mmp size.  But it was obvious what they were. They had the cover art.  But either they had a white band on the front that said ARC (or something similar) or on the back instead of the bar code was a white bar with publishing contact info and either ARC or Uncorrected Proof or something like that. 

Date Posted: 12/8/2010 4:51 PM ET
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It could also be a book club version.  Which is postable.  But you have to list it without the ISBN.  I'd then tag the WL version with the short PBS ISBN.

Date Posted: 12/9/2010 2:56 AM ET
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OK, back to the book club situation...again. 

Are book club editions printed without ISBNs?  If the ISBN, binding, title, and author match are members then required to make a determination if it's a book club edition or are they postable?  Because like many other members, I've no idea how to spot book club books.  Or does the problem only arise if the book club edition uses the same ISBN but is printed with a different binding, which then requires a PBS short ISBN?

I have a couple books I think might be book club editions.  Here's one 9780739467794, which I thought was only published mmpb until I saw it on the shelf at HPB.  It's hardcover as stated in the book description, the ISBN is on the dust jacket and copyright page.  It's not full hardcover size, the cover art is same as mmpb, and nowhere does it say book club editions.

Date Posted: 12/9/2010 3:38 AM ET
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IIRC, the paperback book club uses the same ISBN as the hardback.  So they have to be posted without one as the binding is wrong.

The description you are giving sounds like a library binding.   Both bookclub and library bindings are postable.  But often have to be posted as if they do not have an ISBN as the bindings differ.  Bookclubs are either a paperback that is the size of the hardback (paperback bookclub) or slightly smaller versions of the hardback with thinner paper.  One makes HB with multiple books inside (SciFi bookclub).

Bookclub editions can be hard to tell from regular editions.  But this only matters if there is a no bookclub edition (BCE) RC.  Otherwise bookclubs are fine.

ETA.  You can usually look on the copyright page to find the ISBN.  If there isn't one on the cover.  Bookclub Editions usually don't have a listed price as well.



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Date Posted: 12/9/2010 11:58 AM ET
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So book club editions are totaly postable: 1) if the binding, ISBN, title, and author match, and 2) if the requester does not have an RC otherwise? 

Then why all the dither over posting without ISBN and otherwise confusing members over postable book club editions?

Date Posted: 12/9/2010 12:11 PM ET
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Book Club Editions: Yes

  • If these do not have ISBNs, they CANNOT be posted as if they do.
  • BCEs are usually smaller, more cheaply printed versions, and often do not have price markings or ISBNs on them.

If it has an ISBN it can be posted with one as long as the four required aspects match, if it doesn't it can't. I think some of the confusion comes from the fact that typically these will be released when a book is still a hardcover, and thus will have the same isbn as the hardcover but will actually be a paperback, so it must be posted without an ISBN even though it has one. 

Did I make it better or worse?



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Date Posted: 12/9/2010 12:23 PM ET
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Book Club Books are always postable as long as they meet the PBS book condition requirements. The correct way to post them is exactly the same way you post all other books: you look for the ISBN on the book and enter it on the Post Books screen. Then you verify that the author, title and binding type match. If they do, you continue. If they don't match, or if you couldn't find an ISBN, then you click Post a Book Without an ISBN and post it from that screen.

If you follow this process, you can post your book without even thinking about whether or not it is a book club edition.

The one and only time you have to think about whether a book is a book club edition is when you get a request that has requestor conditions that specifically mention it. If you get one of those requests and you don't know whether or not your book is a BCE, then you should decline the request by clicking My Book Does Not Meet Requestor's Conditions. When you do that, you know for sure that your book is going back to the front of the FIFO line and you will get the next request that is entered into the system for that ISBN. Hopefully the next request won't mention BCEs and you can just accept it and mail your book then.

Date Posted: 12/9/2010 1:34 PM ET
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The problem with book club editions is that the binding often don't match, so those must be posted as if there is no ISBN.  In addition, the ISBN is often inside rather than on the cover.

BCE are fine to post.  And folks often do not even know they are BCE.  But it is one of the most common reasons why the binding does not match the listing.



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