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Subject: Jean Auel
Date Posted: 2/10/2011 2:32 PM ET
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All righty, I searched and didn't find another thread on this author so I'm starting one. I've read the first five books twice now and recall enjoying them a lot. I'm about 1/3 of the way through Land of the Painted Caves and the repetition is driving me batty. Has my memory failed me completely or was this a problem in the previous books as well?

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 2:51 PM ET
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Well, I am the one that read #4 twice, not realizing it until the end.  Having said that, I thought 1-4 were good, and the last one was really repetive and boring.  I think when they are travelling, she is interesting, it's when they are settled that the author has an issue.  I also think that the fact that Ayla is brilliant and invents everything under the sun gets old.

But, having said that, I'll read it. 

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 4:12 PM ET
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oh, dear....she has to be one of my least favorite authors...especially the caveman series. glad you all enjoy her :)

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 4:14 PM ET
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It's been so long since I read these and I don't remember hardly anything about them. I do remember that I really liked them though! I just have a really bad memory. ;-)

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 4:20 PM ET
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I read them all in January, and liked all save for the Mammoth Hunters or as Kelly called it "As The Rock Turns"  as that one seemed a bit soap operaish.  Having said this,  I think she does get a bit repetitive especially when Ayla goes on and on about losing her son and how Broud "that heel"  treated her.  I thinks she is going on the assumption that people might not re-read the past books.  That is the danger some authors run when it takes nearly 10 years between novels.

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 5:30 PM ET
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For what it's worth - I read the first book years and years ago, when I was the HS librarian and it was in my high school library.  I then recommended it to a very bright, fairly studious HS student.  He loved the book, and since the library did not have the second book he bought it for himself.  Then he came in and told me, "Don't bother with it, Mrs. B., it's boring and the couple just wander around having sex."  That was his take on it; I trusted his opinion and have never picked up any of the sequels.  And.......I'm convinced I haven't missed much.  At my age, I figure I only have maybe 20 good reading years left before my eyesight and/or mental acuity fails, and there are so many other books calling my name.

Linda

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 6:12 PM ET
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I have more time to comment now. I've read the first five twice and enjoyed them a lot. I don't recall having issues with repetitiveness, etc. That said, I'm 1/3 of the way through the new one and having serious issues. The repetitiveness is way over the top, from refreshing us over and over and over again on Ayla's back history, plus on newer stuff. I.e. A&J go to check on the horses and find that a snow leopard (or something) attacked them. Big long winded explanation follows as A&J sort out what happened. Then they go back to camp and the rest of the family comes home and we get it listed out ALL OVER AGAIN.

There's a lot of TMI going on also. I learned way more about skinning a wolverine than I ever wanted to know, but the worst of it is hearing every single detail about the road they'll travel from one cave to the next. Ten miles east, then up river then..... two paragraphs worth and more of that.

Editions of this went out to Amazon Vine reviewers and from looking at the reviews already up, even the four star reviewers are noting a lot of the same stuff.

I'm also ready to gag over how utterly perfect A&J are, and that now includes their infant daughter. Did you all know she's so damn smart she's learned not to let lose her water until after mommy takes her out of her carrying basket. At least three times that I've counted, and it was noted that Ayla doesn't use padding because of this like the other cave mommies. So far there's been no mention of discharge #2 and how that has been handled devilcrying

**rant over** (for now)

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 8:05 PM ET
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Cathy Auel, was repetive like that in  The Shelter of Stones, now that you mention it.  As A&J were traveling back to J's family every group they met or stayed with got to hear their stories.   It was a bit maddening. 

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 8:35 PM ET
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Jerelyn, just wait. The first 200 pages are like a rehash of Shelters. Summer camp all over again, one year later.

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 8:41 PM ET
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Date Posted: 2/10/2011 8:46 PM ET
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Well this is one time having a bad memory is good! I loved the series and needed all the repeats to refresh my memeory! I do remember being disgruntled at the way the last one ended. I just don't remember why now...I will re-read before I get new one.

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 8:54 PM ET
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Honestly, there's enough *refreshing* going on that I don't think you'll need to reread unless it has been a long long time ago and you've forgotten it all. It's almost like a stand alone there's so much back track story telling.

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 9:09 PM ET
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Hallejulah!  A book I now will have no inclination to order! I always love these posts and Cathy, your description is so great - I was chuckling to myself reading it. Even though I must have read these books in a past life, I'm not going there again. I did notice that my DD is re-reading them, so I'm going to have to ask her if she ever got to Land of the Painted Caves!!

Also, I'm in Linda's camp - too many good books and not enough time!!

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 9:40 PM ET
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I had like her earlier books a lot better until Shelters of Stone came out and was really disappointed by that one.  Nnow I really don't feel the need to order the newest one either.

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 9:49 PM ET
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BTW, it took me a while but I have finally found the image to project the perfectness of Ayla and Jondalar,

 barbie-and-ken.jpg

 

cooldevil

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 10:05 PM ET
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Well I am still going to read this one. Skimming might be involved.

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 10:29 PM ET
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Skimming is highly recommended cool

I know what you mean though. As much bitching complaining that I've been doing about it, I still must finish the series off.

Date Posted: 2/10/2011 10:57 PM ET
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Bonnie and I were just talking about if this is the last one then?   Auel will be 75 this year and at rate she writes, depending on her health does she have it in her for another?

Date Posted: 2/11/2011 8:46 AM ET
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I'm not sure, supposedly this will be the last one but then I see from the reviews that it might not be finished.

Date Posted: 2/12/2011 7:29 PM ET
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Cathy,     thank you for the huge laugh laugh.

I just spent a month waiting for the person with a large print copy of Shelters of Stone to finally say, No, I won't mail you the *&^$%#@ book.   I laughed also at the description of As the Rock Turns.  I kept thinking, Nothing ever changes!

Date Posted: 2/12/2011 7:46 PM ET
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Pamela, I was just looking at the one stars of S of S over at Amazon UK. Looooooooooooooooooooool. They are so going to hate Painted Caves.

BTW, I have just passed page #550. Something finally happened. Sort of.

Date Posted: 2/13/2011 2:39 AM ET
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I read the first three and this is the only other one I am interested in.  I expect I will do alot of skipping unless I can read it LP.  I need it for a HF challenge book.  I am having trouble getting myself to read anything before 1800.  I am stuck in that time warp this past couple years.

Date Posted: 2/13/2011 10:31 AM ET
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Pamela, if you don't mind one other suggestion on this time period, I have a good one!

William Sarabande's First Americans series. The first book is "Beyond the Sea of Ice". Someone offered the first 5 books in this series as a deal for just one credit, so I decided to try it. I ended up reading each of the 5 books, one right after the other, and I never do that. I really enjoyed this series!

Also, Linda really enjoyed a book set in this time period, I think. "Daughter of the Red Deer" by Joan Wolf. It sounds good, and I think I want to try it too.

 

Date Posted: 2/13/2011 12:15 PM ET
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Oh my, I am just dying at the lightbulb going off in Jondalar's head when he realizes it isn't some mysterious spirit that plants the seed in the womb. Almost makes the rest of the book worth it. Almost.

"He had given Ayla his essence with his manhood, his organ, and that was combined with something inside Ayla to make life begin. Not every time, He had put of a lot of his essence inside her. Maybe it took a lot of essence ." devilcheeky

 

 

Date Posted: 2/13/2011 12:17 PM ET
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~snort~

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