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Subject: Jehovah's witness vs. christian
Date Posted: 5/20/2008 12:53 PM ET
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Hello there!  I was just visited by two Jehavah's witnesses yesterday passing on a pamphlet called The Watchtower.  I was just wondering what the difference between Christian faith and J.W. faith is.

Not meaning to be rude but what is a good way of polietly discouraging further vistes?

Lauren

:)

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 2:36 PM ET
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Tell them you have no interest in coverting and to please take you off their list. They will.

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 6:15 PM ET
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Lauren, here are some basics on Jehovah's Witnesses from Beliefnet http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8034_1.html

and more detailed explanation from Religious tolerance.org: http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness.htm

We always give them a drink of water and a place to sit in the shade, because it always seems to be a hot day when they come around, and then tell them gently that the people who live here already love and serve the Lord. Then we gently shut the door. They don't leave their tracts for us, then, and are never pushy. The ones I know in daily life are lovely people, gentle and kind.

Hope this helps.

[Full disclosure: I'm a Methodist, married to a Catholic.]

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Date Posted: 5/20/2008 6:19 PM ET
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JW are Christians, of the purest caliber.  They have chosen NOT to participate in celebrations which have been derived from pagan festivals.  They are NOT a cult.

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 7:43 PM ET
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The Jehovah Witnesses, to me, are not the same as protestant Christians. I've had no luck all the times I've told them I am not interested. The only thing you could do is maybe say you run a blood bank in your house. They are not into blood transfusions or use of blood products.

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 9:34 PM ET
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Lauren,

Go to your local Christian book store and you can get some information there on different religions.  I bought one that fits perfectly into my Bible book holder.  It's laminated and doesn't get bent or torn!  Just ask the people who run the stores and they'll probably know just what your looking for.

 

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 10:01 PM ET
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JW are Christians the same as Penticostals, Baptists, Catholics, Mormons are Christians. Its a denomination of Christianity with some fundamentally different ideas.

ETA let me elaborate cause that looks like Im saying just the JW have different ideas. That isnt what I mean. So I'll give examples. There are free will baptists and missionary baptists. Free will baptists believe that you can backslide and need to be resaved. Missionary baptists believe that once your saved your always saved. There are innumerable denominations of christians all of them hold slightly different beliefs from one to the other. That doesnt make them any less than christians.



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Date Posted: 5/20/2008 10:40 PM ET
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I found this. http://www.saintsalive.com/general/jwchrist.htm

Date Posted: 5/20/2008 10:59 PM ET
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Shannon not to poopoo all over your link but I will not take the word of an organization whos "Who are we?" page starts off by saying:

"We are a Christian nonprofit corporation founded upon the call of God to witness Jesus to those lost in Mormonism and other cults. "

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/20/2008 11:17 PM ET
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LOL...no kidding, Chris.

I just tell them that we don't believe in proselytization and "have a good day".  They don't come back.

DH's Aunt is a JW and she's awesome.  She's never been pushy about her religion and is actually one of the most Christ-like Christians I have ever encountered.

 

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Date Posted: 5/21/2008 12:03 AM ET
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IMNSHO I feel that JW are the one Christian denomination that actually walk the walk--not just talk the talk. 

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 4:34 AM ET
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JW are Christians, of the purest caliber.  They have chosen NOT to participate in celebrations which have been derived from pagan festivals.  They are NOT a cult.

aw man! pagan festivals are fun! ; )

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 11:36 AM ET
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I don't think the question was whether or not Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians.  I'm guessing the OP was asking what is the difference between historical Christianity and Jehovah's Witnesses.  And there is a difference.  This is pretty obvious in the fact that if a Jehovah's Witness comes to someone's door, and they say "I'm already a Christian", the JW's don't say "Great!  Have a nice day, then."   

You wouldn't have, for example, a Baptist trying to convert a Methodist, because although there are differences, the basic core beliefs are the same.  Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are different than most Christian denominations, in that they believe theirs is the one true religion--and all of the other Christian denominations have it wrong (or don't have all the information).  That is why they will still try to convert you even after they find you are already Christian.

I think it's probably a good idea to read the links that Les posted about JW's, and maybe even go to their website (I think it's Watchtower.org or something like that).  And if you're truly interested in learning about their differences in beliefs, it sure couldn't hurt to talk to them.

Disclaimer:  This post is in no way meant to put anyone down.  It's not my place to judge whether someone is a Christian or not.  I think there are some JW's who are Christians, and some who aren't.  Just the same as there are some Baptists/Methodists/Catholics/InsertYourDenomHere that are and some that aren't.  I believe it isn't so much what you call yourself or where you go to worship, as it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 11:56 AM ET
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Thats not actually so true Brenda. My example of the baptists comes from being a member of a Missionary baptist church and having freewill baptists tell me I was going to the wrong church.

I do see your point though and I wasnt argueing whether they believed the same just that they are considered a christian denomination generally.

Date Posted: 5/21/2008 12:36 PM ET
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JWs are not Christians. They believe Jesus Christ is Michael the angel. Christians belive Jesus is God in human flesh. Jesus claimed to be God. JWs changed their New World Translation to fit their theology. My aunt is a JW so I know a lot of what they believe. Jesus said if we don't believe who He says He is, we will die in our sins. JWs say Jesus is an angel, Mormons say Jesus is the Father, religious Jews say Jesus was just a "good" man or sometimes they say He is a liar, Muslims say Jesus is one of their prophets coming back with their Mahdi, some atheists say Jesus never existed, and Christians believe the Bible which says Jesus is God. Read John 8, John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9. Also, Jesus is called God here: John 20:28. He is the Creator here: Col. 1:15-17. In Exodus 3:14, God is called "I am" but in John 8:58, Jesus is also called "I am."

Jehovah's Witnesses have a problem: they don't believe Jesus Christ is God. They worship another jesus (created in thier theology). The Bible makes it clear that we are not to worship angels and JWs would say that they do not worship Jesus, but their 1950 edition of the New World Translation had the word "worship" for Jesus in the book of Hebrews; they changed it to fit their doctrine of the deity of Christ. What they do is change the words around so that it fits their belief system which is called eisigesis - trying to get something to say what you want it to say because you have a presupposition about the text. That's a big no-no, especially when it comes to the salvation of souls.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/21/2008 12:56 PM ET
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Lauren, check out the religioustolerance.com website - there is a complete definition of many religions there, including JW.

This is how they define Chrisitianity:

bulletChristianity:

bullet There are many  definitions for this term as well. Again, we use an inclusive definition: "An individual or group is Christian if they sincerely, thoughtfully and devoutly believe that they are Christian." This generates a lot of angry Emails from some visitors to this site who are insistent on excluding the Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholic Church, the Mormons and some other denominations as sub-Christian, quasi-Christian non-Christian, or anti-Christian. 
bullet We treat Christianity in greater detail than other religions, simply because about 75% of North Americans identify themselves with that religion. Christians outnumber the next largest organized religions, Judaism and Islam,  by about 40 to 1 in the U.S. and Canada. We are not in any way implying that Christianity is superior or inferior to other religions. It is simply much more popular.

 



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Date Posted: 5/21/2008 10:29 PM ET
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I am thoroughly confused now by what I am reading here. I just this past week had a JW fellow tell me that they are not Christian like mainline Christians think (his wording, not mine). He told me that they do not look at Christ as part of a God-head and that I worshipped 3 gods by believing fully in the Holy Spirit, God, and Christ and that they are fully one. When I tried to answer that in my faithwalk, I accepted Jesus to have come to earth fully man and yet fully God, he became VERY animated trying to answer me. So now in confusion: if JWs don't believe that to be the truth about Jesus, how are they Christian? I am not stirring trouble, just sincerely confused and trying to understand. Can someone help with this answer? I looked at all the links and I am more confused by his answers than ever now. BTW- I am seeking this knowledge purely from an educational stance; I am fine and happy with my beliefs and faith. I just want to understand better. Thanks.

L. G. (L)
Date Posted: 5/21/2008 10:50 PM ET
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Not all Christian religions believe in the trinity.

This link describes the similarities and differences between JWs and liturgical, evangelical Chrsitianity:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witness3.htm

I think what matters is not what you, or I, or anyone else believes about anopther's religion, but rather, what they believe in their heart to be true.  JW's consider themselves Christian, and in fact, believe many of the same core beliefs that mainline Christian sects do, and as such, are considered a Christian faith by many (most?).

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:00 AM ET
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Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:11 AM ET
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JWs believe the Jesus was the son of God, that he died for man's sins, and that the way to salvation is through Jesus.

While they do believe that Jesus is not God, but is strictly the son of God, to a non-Christian these are fairly unimportant details. They strike me as pretty christian-y.

 

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:12 AM ET
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I really would like to know what gives you guys the authority to tell someone else if they are a christian. Seriously. If someone told you that your beliefs didnt fit what they believe so you are not a christian wouldnt it piss you off? Why not agree that they believe they are christians and that leaves it at that? Why throw stones at what they believe and say they cant be part of your club cause they arent just like you?

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:16 AM ET
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If you believe that Jesus was the son of God and he died for man's sins - that sounds pretty much like Christian beliefs to me. 

 

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:26 AM ET
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Seriously. If someone told you that your beliefs didnt fit what they believe so you are not a christian wouldnt it piss you off?

That's what the JW"s will tell me when they come to my door.  No it doesn't bother me.  The JW's aren't victims here.  They have purposely set themselves apart from traditional Christianity and actively try to convert traditional Chrisitians saying their way is the only way. 

Reminds me of a joke my husband told me.  A man died and went to heaven.  St. Peter was showing him around.   Here are the Pentecostals they're loudly speaking in tongues.  Here are the Methodists with their organs blaring.  As they walked by the Church of Christ, Peter said "shhh be very quiet.  They think they're the only ones here."

So no, not upset by it at all....mildly amused ;-)

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Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:26 AM ET
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I think we should forget about all that Saviour stuff and let's have a pagan festival.  Today.

Date Posted: 5/22/2008 9:29 AM ET
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Ive never heard a JW say that other denominations are not christians. Wrong yes but not that they are not christians. Just about every denomination believes they have the only correct interpretation though. Its nothing new and the JW have not cornered that market.

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