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Subject: Jesus Camp
Date Posted: 5/24/2009 12:35 PM ET
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp

This was on A&E today. I am speechless. Has anyone seen this?

Date Posted: 5/24/2009 6:39 PM ET
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Yeah, its available on Netflix Instant, and I watched both that and Hell House (the documentary about the Christian Halloween house) on the same day.  Scary stuff.  Especially in Jesus Camp, with all those little kids that want to be soldiers for god.  Creepy.

Date Posted: 5/24/2009 7:12 PM ET
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It was both horrifying, creepy and (unintentionally) funny.

The praying over the Power-Point and the microphone. The "in Jesus' name I command you" about the bowling.The bit during the end credits where the little girl is handing out the tracts to the old black men sitting in the park and saying as she walks away "I think they're Muslims" like it's akin to being a baby-killer. The bit with the Bush cardboard cut-out.

Wow. Just wow.

 

Date Posted: 5/24/2009 7:14 PM ET
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If anyone is interested you can watch it for free on Atheist Nation. http://www.atheistnation.net/video/?video/00118/atheist/jesus-camp/

Date Posted: 5/25/2009 12:20 AM ET
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Thanks for the link.  I would like to watch it and may get up the courage to do so. 

 

Date Posted: 5/25/2009 8:00 PM ET
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If I can get up the stomach to watch, I might.  We used to have one of those Hell House things here.  I swear the people in my town are seriously disturbed.

Amy
Date Posted: 5/26/2009 12:12 AM ET
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I saw this about a year ago. I'm still trying to find the nerve to give a copy to my parents, who are evangelical Christians.

Date Posted: 5/26/2009 8:54 AM ET
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Okay, I watched it, and that was the most disturbing and sad thing I've ever seen.  Those poor abused children.  I hope they are able to find jobs when they grow up that provide decent healthcare.  They will need it for the therapy.  Of course, considering that the homeschool education that they are receiving is totally insane (science is make believe?), they will be lucky to pass state tests and get a GED.  I guess they could pray for one.

Date Posted: 5/26/2009 12:21 PM ET
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Coincidentally, a friend of mine just posted this to facebook:  http://punditkitchen.com/2009/05/24/political-pictures-becky-fisher-word-christ/

I haven't watched the film yet, but am looking forward to it in a total horror movie sort of way.

Date Posted: 5/26/2009 2:23 PM ET
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I dunno if I can handle more of that woman, but I am rolling at the caption:

The Word Of Christ
Surprisingly indistinguishable from one’s personal opinion, actually.

Amanda, the little girl that was crying and shaking  and turning red when she prayed really hit it home for me. These kids have sooo much stress. They are so worried that one mis-step will throw them into the pits of hell they can't breathe. And all the while that bitch looks for "dripping blood fonts"  for her signs in order to scare the shit out of them. It's a society-sanctioned cult.

 

Date Posted: 5/26/2009 5:17 PM ET
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Oh, I know.  It was so creepy.  They built those children up, then tore them down.  Remember the part where she told them all they were hypocrites and how God was unhappy with them?  Then she made them come up there, tears running down their faces, while she poured BOTTLED WATER over their hands to wash their sins away.  Yep, that's what my bottled water does.

I liked how she said that the devil would take over her Power Point presentation.  I got a good laugh out of that.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that Becky Fischer was the victim of some serious abuse during childhood.  The sad thing is, now she's twisting and manipulating those poor children's minds.  Those kids will never be normal, and I worry about the negative impact they will have on society one day, especially the way she is teaching them to be anti-government.



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Date Posted: 5/26/2009 5:48 PM ET
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I have this on my netflix / TiVo instant queue. I keep meaning to watch it, but I think I need to watch it in a certain state of mind.
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Date Posted: 5/26/2009 9:39 PM ET
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I dont understand how this is not considered child abuse. Why is it not looked into by the government? I mean, the idiots video taped their abuse. I thought Mental abuse was just as illegal as physical abuse.

Date Posted: 5/28/2009 5:15 AM ET
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I've watched this a few times actually, I think I keep expecting it to be less alarming. Seriously, that woman alarms me, especially the "I want our children to be just as willing to lay down their lives for Christ as terrorists are for their country" bit. Since when do we think this is a good thing? And moreover, since when did christ want little children laying down their lives for anyone?

I've known a few people like her, not neccesarily for Christianity or any religion in particular, and they make me intensely uncomfortable.

ETA, just wondering, do you guys think she actually believes all of this? I'm not sure which answer is less reassuring, actually...



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Date Posted: 5/28/2009 7:33 PM ET
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Geneve, I think she does believe it, but like I said before, I think she must be the product of some horrible abusive upbringing herself.  I can't really put my finger on it, but it's almost as if she thinks that by "saving" these children she is redeeming herself.  Abusers typically abuse, and while part of me feels sorry for her, I'm mostly angry at the parents that are paying for the abuse of these children to take place.  It's so sad.  The best thing that could have happened though was for this to be exposed for what it was and for people to see it.  I hope that more people looked really hard at how they were raising their children after watching this.  If your parenting skills involve brainwashing, then you are no better than any of your enemies.

Date Posted: 5/28/2009 8:10 PM ET
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So true, Amanda, it makes you think about some of the mothers, too. I was homeschooled, and I certainly don't think the public school system is the best answer for all or even most kids, but it makes you wonder when parents don't let their children be exposed to any theories that would controdict their beliefs. Maybe if they weren't so isolated from society, they would be able to recognise people like Becky for what they are.

Date Posted: 5/29/2009 8:24 AM ET
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So true.  And correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that homeschooled children have to pass end of the year state tests.  They aren't allowed to get alternative educations and information (or in this case, misinformation).  So how are these parents getting by with teaching their kids that science is not real and so on?  Where are these states that have no standards or educational accountibility?

Date Posted: 5/29/2009 8:29 PM ET
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Oh, yes, you do have to pass tests, but at least when I was doing it it was an every other year thing. (Third grade, fifth grade, eighth grade, etc) but they were very easy tests. I can't remember a time I ever got below a tenth grade score, and I was extremely lax in my study habits, especially toward the end. About all you need to be able to do to pass is to be able to read and do math. No matter what you believe, it's easy enough to see what they want, as far as answers go. I might add that at every meeting where the testing was being held, I practically barracaded myself into a corner- with a book my mom and I had gone over and felt fairly sure wouldn't offend anyone- it seemed like every other person I met was an evangelical.

Did you get child molester vibes from at least one of the guys at the Kids on Fire Camp section of the film, or was it just me?

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Date Posted: 5/30/2009 7:06 PM ET
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that homeschooled children have to pass end of the year state tests.

It depends on where you live. Some states dont require a lot . Others like here in Pa, require testing and portfolios of what you taught your kids and samples of their work. A friend of mine homeschools in New Jersey and she isnt required to do any of that. in Maine you can get out of teh portfolios and state tests if you declare a "private school" with other homeschool families. Not sure if you can do that in other states, I just know it is possible in Maine.  Homeschooling can be great for kids if you dont shelter than from society. I homeschooled for a year and would do it again if I could financailly afford to be our of work. I homeschooled for academic reasons. My daughter is dyslexic and the school was just passing her through not helping her at all. She was going into 6th grade with a 2nd grade reading level. So I took a year off from work to get her caught up. It was the best thing i could ever do. She is now an avid reader. MOst people I have met, Homeschool  for religious reasons. YOu would be amazed at the number of people who do. And many of them are radical christians.

Date Posted: 5/31/2009 12:46 PM ET
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Strange.  I don't know how these kids are getting into colleges without real educations.  I suspect many of them aren't.  If they are, they aren't graduating, because you DO actually have to pass those classes.

Date Posted: 5/31/2009 2:38 PM ET
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Ugh, that scene where the woman tells the kids that their not good enough, that God's not pleased with them, and then makes them all start praying in tongues, that scene makes me physically ill.  When I was 10 my little brother had cancer and my mom went through a period where she got really really religious.  Not to the point of refusing Western medicine, but she did take me with her once to this really creepy church service with people speaking in tongues and stuff. 

Later on she mellowed out and apologized for freaking the crap out of me, but I'll never forget it.  And even then, I was only 10 years old, but I still wondered to myself why the "laying on of hands" supposedly made my brother's temperature go down sometimes but not everytime he spiked a fever, and if the other kids in the cancer ward would get better if their parents went to this service and started singing & babbling.  I wonder how many kids at that camp are like I was, kind of just going along with the madness but still secretly wondering "Am I nuts or is everyone else?"

Date Posted: 5/31/2009 3:27 PM ET
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Awww, Vanessa, that's so sad.  That's what these people do though....they prey on the vulnerable.  You don't get much more vulnerable than having a child that is seriously ill.  It's why crap like this makes me so angry.

Date Posted: 6/11/2009 6:51 PM ET
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Thank you, Samantha for posting that link.  I've wanted to see this for quite awhile.  Rich at the fourfour site has mentioned it a couple of times in the past.

Date Posted: 6/11/2009 11:02 PM ET
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This was very disturbing, especially the whole bit about wanting the children to be willing to lay down their lives for their religion. Where have we heard that before? Hmm...oh, yes. That's what Islamic terrorists are taught to do.

Date Posted: 6/14/2009 9:46 AM ET
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One thing I didn't get involved the group leader (Fisher, was it?) telling the kids, "We're going to pray and speak in tongues." I'm not a scholar by any stretch, but I didn't think you could simply decide to speak in tongues. I thought it involved your praying for the holy spirit or God to come over you and speak through you to others - therefore, it may or it may not happen. You don't just start babbling nonsense words and call it speaking in tongues, do you?

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