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Subject: Karma question for the other Witches around here..
Date Posted: 11/20/2007 10:18 PM ET
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Do you suppose that casting a spell to encourage understanding and open-mindedness in another person could violate free will and how?

How specific can you get with a spell on understanding and open-mindedness?

 

I'm wanting to look at this one from all angles and need input before starting to work on it....

Date Posted: 11/22/2007 1:22 PM ET
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I'm not a witch.  I'm a christian.  But I wanted to comment on the free will part of your question, from my point of view.  How about spells that bring a person in front of situations that would promote self-awareness of their closed mindedness and offer options to increase understanding of other lifestyle choices than their own.  So thru observing and participating in situations that question their closed mindedness, they may be more open as a result.  So this person changes their own opinions instead of having them manipulated from an outside source.  Does that make sense?  I have often prayed that way concerning certain people, at any rate.



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Date Posted: 11/26/2007 9:25 PM ET
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First let me say that I appreciate that you are looking at this from all aspects possible. Casting spells of any sort at any time is a serious business and not to be undertaken lightly. I think that the type of spell that you are contemplating would interfer with free will. Plus it could create a psychic that could tie you to that person through many lifetimes, if you aren't already linked.

Having said that, let me say that I think that people are continuously casting spells and creating their realities by repetitious thoughts and words. Perhaps it would be better to pray that the person will be exposed to ideas and experiences that will give them the opportunity to become more open minded while at the same time pray that you will have the wisdom and knowledge deal with this person in the most effective manner possible without allowing it to negatively touch you.

Bright Blessings



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Date Posted: 11/28/2007 2:01 PM ET
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I'm not Wiccan, but I think that anything that is geared to change anything about a specific person violates their free will.  What if they like the way they are and have no desire to change it?

 I've always thought it was better to concentrate more on yourself and your world and envision the things you want for yourself and leave others to do the same, if they so choose.  If you wish for yourself to be surrounded by more understanding and open-minded people, it will happen.  It just may not be that specific person.

Date Posted: 11/29/2007 12:31 PM ET
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To get around the free will thing you could maybe try to make yourself better at expressing tolerance and thus possibly change minds.

K that doesnt even make sense to me when I read it. What I mean is you could do spell work to bring out your open mindedness and tolerance and make it more visible and tangible to others so that they learn by your enhanced example.

Date Posted: 11/29/2007 2:04 PM ET
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That is what I meant., Candice. You may freely change yourself, your attitudes, your beliefs, your associations, but to change someone against their will, is a heavy Karmic link.

We do not know if this is a person that you MUST associate with, or if you have some options on limiting being around that person.  Is this a person that has a position of power? Is it family? Depending on these or other factors, you may have more options on better ways to handle this situation. If they are a danger to you, that is also something that would make a difference. PM if you have questions.

Date Posted: 12/7/2007 4:36 PM ET
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What I was trying to say was that I need a way to help encourage open-mindedness in another to help them to see things in a different light or start looking at things from other perspectives......not change them in anyway against their will....

 

It is someone who is close to me and I have been learning over the past couple of months that this person is very close-minded and judgemental...surprisingly so...I had never realized this before..and I have known this person for about 9 years...I really think that this person is a really good person and I am not willing to give up on them yet...I get the feeling that it would be a big mistake...I don't want to do something to change this person or do anything that would be messing with their free will...I just need help encouraging a more open mind or more understanding..or something...

 

Thank you for your responses!

Date Posted: 12/9/2007 10:16 AM ET
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It's very hard to change a person. They have to want to change. As long as they don't hate people who believe differently and show respect I'm not sure if you should worry about changing them.

Date Posted: 12/9/2007 7:40 PM ET
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Hi Candace,

One of the best ways is to ask them questions about their beliefs, attitudes, etc, without hammering your own beliefs. Don't ask "why" they believe or think the way that they do. Most people have not done enough internal work to know why they they think the way that they do. Most of the time people just repeat whatever that they have been taught or heard via parents, family, etc. Ask open ended questions. Questions that do not lend themselves to "yes" or "no" answers. This isn't easy by the way and will take practice. If they respond, you can then, gently, say that hasn't been your experience, or give them an example that factually contradicts whatever they have said and try to close by letting them know that you are going to think about what they have said . Then change the subject if possible.

You may help this person by planting some seeds of thought. However, it is possible that they have chosen to be this way in this life time as a challenge for you to love them anyway. This may be a path that they have to walk in this life time.

Good luck & Bright Blessings

Date Posted: 12/15/2007 8:43 PM ET
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Audry,

What a wonderful response!  I hadn't even thought of that last bit....even though I had been getting a very strong feeling that it would be a mistake to just give up...(I haven't)  :)

 

I have been talking and asking questions and 'planting seeds'...but a lot of the time when I am asked a question...I start to answer it only to be interrupted with a long winded explanation of why  I am wrong and/or weird...ect...and never even get to answer  the questions most of  the time...I will ask after the 'lecture' if the person really wanted  me to answer it and the response is "Oh, I'll probably be really disappointed by your answer if you do".....the most recent one is what exactly do I celebrate this time of year if it isn't Jesus' birthday...I am just so saddened by all this...

 

Thank you for your responses, Audry!!!!!  I have a lot to reflect on and let go of this Yule....

 

Peace and Brightest Blessings!!!!

 

 



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Date Posted: 12/18/2007 11:03 AM ET
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My personal opinion about this is "why bother?" I mean seriously .. If after talking to the person and they just aren't getting it... I would not waste my energy on the spell...

Date Posted: 12/18/2007 9:46 PM ET
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Bright Blessings to you also, Candace.

You are right most people do not really want to hear what others have to say unless they pretty sure that the person will say something that they already know and agree with :-)

Most people are ignorant of the fact that the Winter Solstice was a pagan holy day (holiday) for many years before Jesus was born and that early Christian priests decided to co-op/baptise Yule and call it Jesus birthday. They find facts to be to threatening to their comfort level and any anything that contradicts what they have been taught in their religion to be to frightening to think about.

A Wicca friend of mind once told me that when people ask her what she celebrated at Christmas said that she told them, "you celebrate the birth of the son of god, I celebrate the birth of the sun god." Unfortunately, I suspect that the usual response to that would be, "uh?" LOL

Have a joyous Yule Season.

Date Posted: 1/3/2008 12:00 PM ET
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Well, I hope everyone's Holiday was wonderful!

 

This is my boyfriend of 4 years that I have been speaking of.  We have been living together for 3 years now...maybe that will explain some of my 'panic'...I've decided I am just going to wait and watch.  I won't make any rash desicion about leaving but I am not going  to wait forever....There are other issues that I have been trying to deal with as well...

 

I will continue to try to talk to him but he is very stubbornly close-minded....this is all very disappointing but...I am a strong person and I will be fine, my daughter will be fine....I will just keep in close communion with THEM and keep listening when they speak.....

 

Maybe if I had listened better to begin with I wouldn't be in this situation...I love my boyfriend dearly, but I am prepared to walk if things keep on the way they are...

 

 

Audry, thank you, again....

 

Happy New Year everyone!

Date Posted: 1/3/2008 2:40 PM ET
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Merry Meet, Candi,

It was a lovely holiday season. Thank you. I hope that yours were good, too.

Given that this is your significant other, and I am guessing that your daughter is his child makes this a much more worrisome situation. Please do regular protection work for you and your daughter. If you decide to end the relationship, then the least karmic heavy spell to use on him would be a "binding" spell that is to keep him from doing things that might harm you or your daughter (or any loved ones). I don't know what training you have had, but I hope you understand what I am saying.

Be safe.

Merry Part

Date Posted: 1/9/2008 3:22 PM ET
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Thanks!

He isn't my daughter's father, but we have been friends since she was a baby and have been together for 4 years...he is very like a father to her and she is very close to him...

 

I understand what you are saying...I haven't had any formal training (although I would love to find someone to study with) I learn on my own....

 

I am going to do a cleansing on our home too...there is a huge amount of negative energy here and I am wondering if that will help him as well....I know it will help me at any rate....sometimes I feel like I am choking on all the negativity....

 

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

Date Posted: 1/9/2008 8:40 PM ET
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A good cleansing can be helpful.

If you want to just talk about things, feel free to PM me.

Bright Blessings