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Subject: Is This In Keeping With The Spirit Of PBS ?
Date Posted: 6/10/2014 7:22 PM ET
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I was on the book bazaar board the other day and came across this post from a female member

6/9/2014

Topic: Need Deals on Children's Books

I am looking for really good deals on childrens books like Henry & Mudge, Magic School Bus, Little Critters, Berenstain Bears, & Cam Jansen. Anyone have any deals on these. Thank you! PM me please.

I sent her a pm to see what kind of deal she would be interested in/was looking for. I said I was glad to do a 2 for 1 on childrens books if she was interested. she pmed me back saying that she was looking for 7for 2 or better. and that she wanted them in new or like new condition. not looking used. I thought she was interested in getting books for gifts for someone or maybe to donate to a school daycare or the like so I asked. her reply was no they weren't for gifts or donation. I looked at her profile to see what kind of books she has posted to kind of get an idea of what kind of books she might be interested in to see if I had anything like them on my shelf or that I have not yet posted.

on her profile she clearly states that she buys and sells childrens books to raise money. so my question is is this in keeping with the spirit of PBS? I mean I know that one you request and receive a book from PBS that you can do whatever you want with it. but does this sound like maybe she is trying to use the system/members for her own personal use to earn money? no matter what the cause for doing so is? maybe I am just seeing it wrong? I just wanted to warn others about this person possibly taking advantage of a person's good deal in the book bazaar for financial gain. what do you think?



Last Edited on: 6/10/14 7:25 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/10/2014 7:43 PM ET
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The guidelines are Here. It's clear that people can not get books from the site for resale.

She may buy and sell books from other sites and sell them, but use this site for her personal needs. Some book sellers do. If you're conserned that she is using this site to supply her business, you can use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the page and let them know. They'd be the ones to decide if she's using the site correctly or not. 

Can we sell books on PBS?

No.   We do NOT allow any selling of books on this site.   The Buy it New feature allows you to tag books to buy through Amazon, but no books are sold at PBS.

  • This is a bookswapping site, not a bookselling site.
    • Bound books (hardbacks, paperbacks) "cost" 1 credit each (2 credits for each audiobook)
    • Asking more than "PBS price" for a book is also considered "selling," and is prohibited.

Can members resell books received from PBS?

  • PBS may not be used to obtain books for the purpose of resale.  Commercial use of the site is prohibited.
  • When you receive a book you requested, it does belong to you, and you can do whatever you would like with it after you have read it.   An occasional resale of an item obtained here for personal use is OK.
    • Of course we would like to see you repost your books on this site when you are finished with them, because it makes more books available for our many members to choose from.
    • Again, the occasional PBS book that is obtained for personal use, and then ends up being sold elsewhere, is perfectly okay. However, any systematic attempt to obtain books for resale (instead of personal use) will jeopardize your membership, and may lead to criminal prosecution.
    • That means: if you obtain books to read, and sell an occasional one, that is fine. If you request a book not to read, but in order to re-sell it, that is NOT fine.
  • We do have some booksellers who belong to the club.
    • They contribute a lot of books here, and booksellers are usually avid readers too!
    • Booksellers per se are not prohibited from membership.
    • But if there is a pattern to a bookseller's (or any member's account) of systematically obtaining books for resale, or if it becomes clear that a bookseller is attempting to use PBS to stock his or her (online or brick-and-mortar) bookstore, we will close his or her membership permanently, and legal prosecution may ensue. Again, commercial activity is prohibited at PBS.

 

Date Posted: 6/10/2014 7:46 PM ET
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OK, how many other nerdos like me copied that forum thread subject line, went to the BB, searched for it, just to read this woman's profile? wink

Date Posted: 6/10/2014 8:01 PM ET
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I cant imagine she can make all that much money ....but I don't sell books  so, who knowswink

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 12:39 AM ET
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I also don't imagine she makes much money, but there is that PBS rule (not for reselling) she agreed to under Terms of Use.



Last Edited on: 6/11/14 8:08 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/11/2014 7:55 AM ET
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Regardless, anyone who comes on this site looking to get books in strictly new or like-new "non-used" condition with a 7 for 2 deal is out of their mind, in my opinion. That alone, to me, just isn't in the spirit of PBS. It's a USED book TRADING website. Not a "help me find popular books in really great condition for next to no cost to me" site. Ugh.

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 8:35 AM ET
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I would bring her to the attention of TPTB.

-RD

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 8:55 AM ET
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+1 Rob

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 9:25 AM ET
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There is no spirit of PBS. People use this site in different ways for different reasons and it's all good. Looking for like new books and/or deals is perfectly fine.

However, systematically using PBS to obtain folks to sell is against the rules of the site. So, I would probably direct PBS to it as well.

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 9:48 AM ET
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There is no spirit of PBS. People use this site in different ways for different reasons and it's all good. Looking for like new books and/or deals is perfectly fine.

I agree with Sara. As long as people are getting books for their own use, or an approved charity/donation project, any condition they want is perfectly fine. The Powers That Be have always been fine with asking for what you want. They set it up that way on purpose.

You may have to wait, and nothing may come of it, but it's a benefit of the site to be able to ask.

I don't get the notion that a used book can't look, be, or otherwise seem new and pristine. Used here just means it's been pre-owned in some way, not that it's been read or otherwise had any wear and tear. I've sent a ton of books that, to me, looked completely untouched. Some thrift stores and garage sales have stuff like that. I've had books given to me as gifts that I've traded out because I'd never read them. Unopened except to flip through the pages to make sure there weren't any weird printing mistakes.

And I've gotten books that looked to have been unopened. (Here, from eBay, Amazon used market, ABC.com....) 

The word 'used' doesn't automatically mean 'used looking'.

Now, getting a trade deal you want is pretty iffy. But it doesn't hurt to ask, either.

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 10:11 AM ET
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There's nothing wrong with receiving or asking for a book in pristine condition or even a 7 for 2 deal. But there are users on here that feel entitled to that. Any book that's less than perfect or any deal that's not saving them tons of money is beneath them. And that just rubs me the wrong way. That's not what this site was intended for. 

I'm probably pre-judging this person too harshly. But it just got my gears going. 

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 11:39 AM ET
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There is no "in the spirit of PBS" as Sara said. People can ask for whatever kind of deal they want and expect whatever kind of condition they want. People often get lost in expecting others to want what they want out of the site. Everyone can use the site however it suits them as long as it is within the Terms of Use of the site. This member is clearly violating that. if her account is not suspended already it should be, please report it.

Date Posted: 6/11/2014 11:58 AM ET
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But there are users on here that feel entitled to that.

I don't know you can know how someone feels about what they want, but if they feel entitled to those kind of books, they're welcome to ask for them. They're paying for them, they can ask for what ever condition they want.

The only times I see problems mentioned on the board is when someone sends a nasty reply to an RC asking for something better than usual. (Frankly, its no one's business why someone wants what they want.) Or when a sender purposefully sends a book that doesn't meet the RC, then gets ruffled when the receiver won't just accept it anyway.

That's not what this site was intended for. 

IMHO, the site was intended to get books to people who want them, from people who have books they don't want anymore, and that people be happy on both ends. For whatever books they want, in whatever condition they want. 

As Sara and Melanie said, there is no "spirit of PBS". 

 



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Date Posted: 6/11/2014 8:12 PM ET
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Date Posted: 6/13/2014 11:23 AM ET
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Sorry, but I do believe there is a "spirit of PBS" in that we ALL have the expectation that books are for reading.  I wouldn't expect members here to swap books to make a bonfire with them or simply to "craft" with them.  (in CMT we frequently share pics of books being used to build furniture or for crafting)



Last Edited on: 6/13/14 11:24 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 6/13/2014 11:35 AM ET
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Sorry, but I do believe there is a "spirit of PBS" in that we ALL have the expectation that books are for reading.

Sorry, no. 

People can come here to get books they want for art projects if they want. Some may want certain books for certain 'looks' in their art. If they want to build a house of solid book bricks, they can.

AFAIK the site has only made an issue about why you want a book in the cases of using the site for resale. Otherwise, in what ever shape you want it, for what ever reason, if you have a credit, you're free to ask for what ever you're looking for.

Some people have said they send out only pristine books, and that's what they want back. Some send out only hardbacks, and that's what they want back. It's all fine.

And, frankly, no one's business as long as they follow the site guidelines. People don't have to explain why they want a certain book in a certain way. The fact that they do, and are willing to wait for someone with the right copy to agree to the swap, is all that's needed.

Not everyone is here for the same reason, with the same needs. Nor should they be.



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Date Posted: 6/13/2014 7:43 PM ET
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I think this happens more than we realize.  I have received books with a commercial return address.

Date Posted: 6/14/2014 2:23 PM ET
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I think this happens more than we realize.  I have received books with a commercial return address.

I have found, from the forums, that quite a few people ship from their work place. Some can do it for free, others, chip in the cost of the postage. I guess use of the business mail room and supplies can be considered a 'perk' for some people.

Saves them from having to fun out and get stuff mailed on their lunches. 

Others have on-line business like eBay or Esty or something like that where they can use their shipping supplies for their hobbies as well.



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Date Posted: 6/14/2014 3:01 PM ET
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I joined PBS because I liked the idea of sharing my books.  There is a sense of community for members in the forums and games.  That said, a large number of members never come here, never post.  They just swap books.

Subject: Is this in keeping with the spirit of PBS
Date Posted: 6/29/2014 12:51 AM ET
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I just joined this site and listed books.  My husband lists books online and we usually have extra books.  When our books are purchased at estate sells or garage sells or yard sells, many times the seller wants to just get rid of the books.  We buy an entire box of say $3 to $5 dollars.  We once bought over 150 for $20.00 at a church sale of different books because the volunteers were ready to go and did not want to load them anywhere.  This has happened MANY, MANY times.  My husband does this in his spare time and enjoys selling them very much.  But, it does not benefit him to sell any book for less than $5 dollars, hence, he sells a specific types of books and, we often have many, many extra books.  I decided to get on this site because I thought it would be fun to share books.  But this site does seem rather complex than just going to my local used book store.  I don't know.  I will continue to give it a try.  I have already mailed three of my ten books.  

Date Posted: 6/29/2014 7:12 PM ET
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Aside from using to resell, a 7 for 2 deal on the type of book she was looking for is reasonable (imho). If they were just laying around and you hadn't purchased to post. The 7 would probably be under a pound and you would get 2 credits. I only do deals that are more than 1 credit.  People are free to ask and the other person is free to say no.

Date Posted: 6/30/2014 12:17 PM ET
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I donate a lot of books to Books for Keeps, a charity that gives books to kids in Athens, Georgia to prevent the summer slide. They are only looking for books in good condition, and only looking for fairly popular books. I don't have time to try to find deals here, but if I was, I might make a request like that if I was looking for books for BFK. 

But I think doing that to find books to re-sell does violate the spirit of PBS, and it sounds like it violates the TOS as well. 

Date Posted: 7/2/2014 10:36 PM ET
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If you feel uncomfortable about a deal and are not looking to just pass along the books as quickly as possible, just say no it doesn't work for you.  

Date Posted: 7/3/2014 3:23 AM ET
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I don't feel that a 7 for 2 on childrens books in a bad deal, or crazy.  Especially if they were the paperback versions of the ones she listed above.  If you wanted to get rid of some on your shelf and they are small books that's an ok deal.  I have gotten tons of books in the bbz for great deal including 10 for 1, 7 for 2, 5 for 1 ect.  I'd only ask for a 2 for 1 if they were heavier teen books. 

Also why some of your are saying there is no resale value my sister just had a garage sale and sold Magic tree house, baby sitters club, magic school bus and other various scholastic books for 3 bucks a piece.  She sold all of the ones she took, and ended up making $100 only off my nieces books.  I will also say most of those were ones I gave to my niece and got from this site.  Was I happy she sold them, no, however since she sold them to a new school teacher though I don't feel so bad.  They were no longer mine to get rid of though and I had paid for the original book I purchased and posted, and then the postage to send them out for the credits that I used to get those books.  So technically there was a money loss.  Though if I had originally purchased credits got any one of the deals I listed before and then sold them at her garage sale for 3 buck it would have been a money maker.  So there is apparently resale value in books like she was asking for.  Would I ever do such a thing, no.  I was also pretty miffed when I found out what my sister did, but since they had already been read at least once by my niece I got over it. 

Its hard to find Henry & Mudge, Magic School Bus, Bernstein Bears, pretty much any popular kids books in this area.  A lot of people look for them here too.  Its part of why I joined this site because used kids books here are expensive at the store, and expensive at garage sales.  Oh and no one gives them to the thrift shops because they can just give them to family or friends.  It probably depends on your area though.  Big city people probably have more access to more thrift/used shops and more garage sales.  Here we have 2 thrift shops, a few garage sales a weekend, 1 used book store, and retail shops.  We do have a scholastic factory so if you currently know someone who works there you can get a good deal!

Date Posted: 7/3/2014 9:45 AM ET
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I will also say most of those were ones I gave to my niece and got from this site.  Was I happy she sold them, no, however since she sold them to a new school teacher though I don't feel so bad.

There's no reason for anyone to feel bad. You gave her children a gift, so it was theirs to do with as they please. I'm glad to hear they got good use out of them, and were able to pass them along for sale. I think children's book sales depend on the area, the weather, and of course the interest. Some times you'll make out, some times you won't. 

There's no reason that any book you get here should come back here. Nice when it does, but it's not part of the site rules, nor even expected. Some people will keep, some they'll donate, some they'll gift and some will come back here. 

It's all good, just as long as they don't make a business out of it.

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