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Subject: "Last Posted" data
Date Posted: 4/2/2009 12:07 AM ET
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Does anyone else find the revelation of the "Last Posted" data on the new WL to be, well, discouraging?

While I appreciate the information, it sure took some of the fun out of the site for me to see that most of my WL books have never been posted, or haven't been posted in the last year or two. (assuming the info is current and correct... given the ups and downs of the WL the last little while these numbers may not be real or complete yet)

It has sure made me re-think my use of the WL... what is the point of being # 5 of 50 on a book when it hasn't been posted since 2007 or something in the first place?

I'm not changing anything yet, waiting to make sure the data is real first, but if it is I think there may be a whole lot of WL deletions around here.

I almost wish I didn't know :)

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 12:12 AM ET
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It is a bit disheartening but I like it. This way I can decide if I want to go ahead and purchase a book rather than wait and see if it may get posted sometime soon. I think it could be good for the site too. Other people may see that they could wait for a very long time and not get the book they want and go out and purchase the book too. More books could end up in the system.(wishful thinking?) More books is always a good thing in my book.



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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 12:15 AM ET
Member Since: 10/23/2005
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Remember, the data is only for that ISBN. So while that exact book may not have been posted, unless you have wished for all ISBNs for that title, it doesnt necessarilly mean another edition of the book hasnt been posted in the meanwhile.

Every month or so I go through my wishlist and click on each author's name, which will bring up the page of all the books by that author. The ones at the top in green are posted books. And the ones in red are not posted. I have gotten so many WL books by just checking the author lists. Often a copy of the post will be posted already and I order it. I then delete the one from my WL when I receive it.

I have been offered my WL before, when the same title was on its way to me. I accepted the WL order, just in case the other didnt arrive. Of course, they arrived within days of each other. 2 of the same is better than none, to me.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 12:19 AM ET
Member Since: 12/9/2007
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It might really result in more books being posted that hadn't been before since someone might see that and think -" I never thought anyonewould be interested in that book" and they'd post it because they knew where they could get one.  And Miranda's scenario most likely will happen more often - especially if people see sales on some of those books.

Ruth

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 12:32 AM ET
Member Since: 8/16/2007
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I like the last date posted info. Some books on my WL, especially my poker books and the Star Trek for my husband, don't ever seem to move. Now I can see that they have been posted to the system at some point in the past and it give me hope that they will be again.

I find the estimation of when you'll get a book kind of worthless when it is based off of the activity in the past 7 days. That's not a long enough period to make an accurate estimate in my opinion, hopefully they will improve it as time goes on.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 9:32 AM ET
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I do kinda agree, Brian. Some of the manga I have Wish Listed hasnt been posted since 2006! Not surprising since the company went out of buisness and no one wants to give up their manga. But Ill still keep it on there and hope for the best. It wont hurt me to keep them Wish Listed, especially if you place them under Auto-Accept.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:29 AM ET
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I look at it this way.  When I settled on the genre i wanted most to read, I bought books on a daily basis, and I never keep them; I never re-read a book.  I've turned so many women, and a few men that would have never considered reading these books, into fans.  There will always be new readers that will like and post the books we want. 

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:47 AM ET
Member Since: 12/29/2008
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I love seeing the last date posted. I have several that I am #1 on and have been for many months. These books have either never been posted or it has been 6 months to 2 years. And, I have every ISBN available for those titles. Now I know I need to go buy them if I really want to read them anytime soon. I do wonder why on the wish list I am 1 of 46 but when you click on the book, there are 42 wishing. Those numbers rarely match.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 10:55 AM ET
Member Since: 12/28/2008
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Good points, thanks for the replies. I guess what it will boil down to for me is that this will help me use the WL more realistically, and will push me to go to other sources for the books I am not likely to get. Then they will end up here eventually,as Miranda suggested, as I will be doing it myself.. hopefully others will do this as well and there will be a large influx of new titles.

Might as well be optimistic, and turn the discouragement into something positive :)

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:03 AM ET
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I think the system is too new to have an accurate reading on estimates.  I think a lot of those numbers might come down as far as "x # of wks" as more weeks are built into to be able to do the estimate.  Once the system is up and running they can base it on previous wks as well.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:43 AM ET
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Date Posted: 4/2/2009 11:57 AM ET
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I'm going to give it a few more months to see how the data establishes itself, but for books that I've had on my WL for a long time, that have never been posted, or have only been posted over a year ago, those books I'll likely remove or seek elsewhere. I'm sure that in the long run this will allow the flow of books in and out, and the wait time for those books to be reduced and make the site work better.

I just have book tastes that aren't in the mainstream and now I can see that a bit more clearly. :(

Cathy A. (Cathy) - ,
Date Posted: 4/2/2009 12:20 PM ET
Member Since: 12/27/2005
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They already have several years' worth of data that can be used in calculating these numbers. Everything that's needed to do this calculation is in our transaction archives.

I think what you'll see is that for books that are only swapped once every few weeks or months, there will never be a good estimate. For books that are fairly new, when they're initially released the estimates will be too long, then the closer in you get to 1, the better the estimate will get. I had a book that said 383 weeks two days ago, but since then it's been posted twice and now I'm down to 189 weeks. Since the book was just released, I expect that it will be posted more and more often each week for the next 3 months, and then level off, so my actual time is probably more like 40 weeks. I'm basing this on some tracking I did back when "Twelve Sharp" was released and then confirmed again with a different best seller last year. The number of copies posted might ramp up faster now that the club is bigger, but the wish list lines are also longer, so I'm guessing that will even out.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 2:31 PM ET
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I like seeing the last posted information, because like others have said, it provides more data on whether it is realistic to expect the book will come via PBS. It might make members consider going out and buy those books, and ultimately, introduce them into the system. It might discourage others so much that those in front of me in line to drop out as well. So the effect of this information is mixed, for one's own hopes and chances, and for the behavior of the group at large.

I always have that TBR pile to get through in the meantime...

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 2:51 PM ET
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Rebecca - the reason you how you're at 46 but it shows only 42 might be because there are pending transactions that haven't been completed one way or the other.  Several are waiting for a book to arrive or are waiting to have their request accepted, etc.  So even though it doesn't show it - the system allows for the possibility that those people may remain in the WL if/when the deal fails.  It's the only thing that makes sense to me - like on my TBR when I sort it according to "wishlist"  some of them come up blank although they stay in the wishlist group - later they may remain on th WL with an "W" showing or disappear from the WL sort group. 

Ruth

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 3:07 PM ET
Member Since: 12/29/2008
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Ruth,

I keep forgetting about that! of course, I have two being help for wishers now. THanks

Geri (geejay) -
Date Posted: 4/2/2009 5:29 PM ET
Member Since: 9/2/2008
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I checked my WL and just took the books that were last posted three years ago off.  I found what I wanted on Half.com for reasonable prices.  Then when I finish them I can post them here and stack up those credits for the books that are going to take 139 weeks to get to me...lol.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 6:21 PM ET
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Geri, hopefully you will have finished those "3 year old' books by then. LOL.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 6:29 PM ET
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I wonder if someone could start a tag called help move wishlists along?  This could be where people post books that they are say 1-10 on in case someone has something on their shelf that they didn't realize that people wanted to read.  I just started one for myself in the book bazar in case anyone wants to add to it and it might help this problem as well.

Theresa

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 6:35 PM ET
Member Since: 4/21/2007
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Rebecca - the reason you how you're at 46 but it shows only 42 might be because there are pending transactions that haven't been completed one way or the other.  Several are waiting for a book to arrive or are waiting to have their request accepted, etc.  So even though it doesn't show it - the system allows for the possibility that those people may remain in the WL if/when the deal fails.  It's the only thing that makes sense to me - like on my TBR when I sort it according to "wishlist"  some of them come up blank although they stay in the wishlist group - later they may remain on th WL with an "W" showing or disappear from the WL sort group. 

Ruth

 

Doh!  Ahhh. Thank you Ruth. This seems so obvious now that you have explained it. It has had me stumped for awhile and I just never took the time to connect the dots.

Date Posted: 4/2/2009 6:54 PM ET
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I don't find it too discouraging since well over half of the books on my WL haven't been released yet--I would be worried if there WERE a 'last posted' date. LOL  Also, I don't think the 'estimated time' is very reliable. When a new book first comes out, there might only be a couple of copies posted so they're estimating 'x' date...but the following week, 10 copies might be posted....and then again the next. I don't think it's something I will really pay much attention to, to be honest.

Cheryl

Date Posted: 4/3/2009 9:10 AM ET
Member Since: 12/27/2008
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I'm taking the 'last posted' information with a grain of salt.  One particular item on my wish list, an audio book, has no 'last posted' date listed. But I've already received two copies of it on PBS and I've only been a member since December.

Date Posted: 4/3/2009 9:46 AM ET
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I like the new WL format, I know most of the books on my WL aren't likely to post but hey, you just never know, stranger things have happened. So far I've received 3 books where I was 1 of 1. In the meantime I keep looking (I have several children's books on my WL that I want a specific version of, I know they are rare, I've been looking for them for 10+ years already!) The WL supplements my bookhunting it does not replace it.

I enjoy threads like this one, if I have the time I check the poster's WL and occasionally I actually have a book, or recently ran across it in a UBS (then I go back and buy it if the price is right, what can I say, I love sending people WL books). Sometimes I find books listed in other people's WL that I end up wishing for myself *grin*

Date Posted: 4/3/2009 10:55 AM ET
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It probably takes some of the magic out of it, but I sorta knew that rare books were actually posted that rarely anyway, and if I was at #50 for a rare book and had only moved up to #48 in the last year, it doesn't really matter to me whether a copy was posted just last week or sometime last year.  I still know that my chances of getting it here anytime soon are about slim & none:P  It's kinda neat to see the data in new releases & how fast they're moving, but with rare books, you could be in the #1 spot for years.  There are books on my WL that I know I'll probably have to buy in order to get them, but with the prices some resellers want for rare books, I keep them on my WL on the off-chance I could get them here.  It's a little like buying lottery tickets, IMO:P

Date Posted: 4/3/2009 10:56 AM ET
Member Since: 10/19/2006
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I had a book on my wishlist since 2007. According to the new wishlist format a copy has never been posted. However, I got an email this morning telling me my request was granted (I have my entire wishlist on autorequest) so I think patience is the key.

I never remove anything from my wishlist unless I am lucky enough to score a copy at the library. There are a lot of new members lately and even the older hard to find titles could become available.

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