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Subject: laundry list of RC's would you accept?
Date Posted: 8/4/2016 12:31 PM ET
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i got a a request from a member this morning  with one of the longest lists of RC's i have ever seen would you send to this member or decline? here is the list of rc's

 

 Hard Cover books need to include dust jacket if it came with one originally.   Hardcovers that have the design repeated on the cover can also be missing the dust jacket.  No loose pages or broken bindings.

Paperbacks should be in very good condition and not have more than very minimal wear or spine creasing and  no warping to spine. 

NO HIGHLIGHTING OR UNDERLINING OR NOTES IN BOOK  (Names or inscriptions at the front of the book are fine - Ex-library in good shape is also fine)  

Audio books need to be unabridged, in good shape, not heavily scratched, and come with their original case.  Would also like the case to be in relatively good shape!!

Please accept and check with me if you're not sure.

I have a lot of restrictions because these books are for a library.  I am not expecting brand new books and I'm not looking to burn anybody.  If you think your book might be okay but you're not sure, just message me and I'll let you know if it's something I can use or not.

Please note that I have added the library name to the address.  You can mail books to me using library rate and save some money.  As long as one of the addresses is a library, you can use this rate.

Thank you.



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Date Posted: 8/4/2016 1:15 PM ET
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I would reject because "very good condition" is very subjective. They ask for "very minimal wear and spine creasing"...I once was RWAPed on exactly that point -- my book had perhaps 2 light spine creases which I perceived as minimal but the recipient thought that meant NO spine creasing! They also request you to PM them if you're not sure...they decide they don't want it, then you lose your place in the FIFO line. My personal rule is if there is anything in the RC that I question, I turn it down. You know since your book was requested that you are at the head of the FIFO line, just wait for the next requestor is my advice.

Date Posted: 8/4/2016 2:50 PM ET
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I would not send to them either because of the same reason. Very good condition is certainly not the same to everyone.

i know they have the right, but I prefer if people eventually return the books to the system, at least most of them.

Date Posted: 8/4/2016 2:51 PM ET
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To add:

       While I want people to repost, I would not refuse to send just because of that.

Date Posted: 8/4/2016 2:56 PM ET
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Paperbacks should be in very good condition and not have more than very minimal wear or spine creasing and  no warping to spine. 
 

Please accept and check with me if you're not sure.

 If you think your book might be okay but you're not sure, just message me and I'll let you know if it's something I can use or not.

I would decline based on the 3 lines above. What I consider very good condition and what the requestor considers very good condition may be 2 very different things.

As I've stated before, I refuse to PM about RCs. RCs are supposed to be clear, unambiguous, and require no further clarification. PMing about RCs leaves me open to a requestor who doesn't want the book but won't cancel, in which case I risk a RWAP or I risk being forced to cancel and having my book removed from my shelf, neither of which is acceptable to me.

 

Date Posted: 8/4/2016 6:24 PM ET
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Just today I received a RC..I decided to take a photo of the book with my phone in case of disputes so I can show the condition the book went out in.  I have an RC for non smoking home due to allergy on my end and haven't had a problem.  IF I really want the book I can waive that RC and have once.  I received an RC similar to the one at the beginning of this and rejected it.

Date Posted: 8/4/2016 10:44 PM ET
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Molly, I recently sent some books to a person with similar RC's except for the part about using library mail - which BTW, IIRC, is supposed to be between 2 libraries, or at least the sender being an actual library.

I would have no problem sending the requested book(s) if I felt they met the RC's. 

Date Posted: 8/5/2016 4:41 AM ET
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5.0 Content Standards for Library Mail

5.1 Eligible Senders and Addressees

Each piece must show in the address or return address the name of a school, college, university, public library, museum, or herbarium or the name of a nonprofit (as defined in 703.1.0) religious, educational, scientific, philanthropic (charitable), agricultural, labor, veterans, or fraternal organization or association. Only the articles described in 5.0 may be mailed at the Library Mail price.



Last Edited on: 8/5/16 4:41 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/5/2016 8:06 AM ET
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Decine. That RC is ridiculous.

Date Posted: 8/5/2016 10:25 AM ET
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Yes, of course I would accept it if I felt my books met it. I have absolutely no problem determining if my books are in very good condition or not. I mean, really, it's just common sense. 

I've seen thousands of books in my lifetime. I can tell when a used book looks "like-new". I can tell when a book looks like it's in "very good" condition. 

And if I guess wrong, I have no problem saying to a recipient that I feel differently about whatever issue they have and declining to refund a credit. Politely.

Date Posted: 8/5/2016 12:11 PM ET
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I would double check my book, and if it met the specified conditions, I'd have no problem mailing it- even with a long RC. 

I've mailed to many, many members over the years with RCs, and I have never been burned once by anyone due to an RC. (And I have mailed out a LOT of books!)

Just because a member has an RC, it doesn't mean they are waiting beside their mailbox with their finger poised over the RWAP button. If you feel  that your book meets the specified conditions, then mail!

 

Date Posted: 8/5/2016 9:55 PM ET
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What Sara & Debbie said.

Date Posted: 8/6/2016 9:01 AM ET
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The RC has far too many conditions.  I would decline.

Date Posted: 8/6/2016 10:25 AM ET
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I will decline any RC that requires me to PM the requestor.  My books have worked too hard movingup in the FIFO to be put in the end of the line, when the requestor decides he/she would rather not have it after I accepted and PMed.

Date Posted: 8/6/2016 2:31 PM ET
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I'd accept as long as my book met the conditions. The RC isn't that much above the PBS guidelines, just the one requiring the dust jacket on the hardcovers. The underlining and highlighting isn't allowed anyway without sending a PM and getting and ok from the receiver. The pages on a book shouldn't be loose or have issues with the binding either. I can look at the paperback and see if my copy is in very good condition and since I'm not hard on books it should be. Audiobooks shouldn't be sent with scratches or without cases anyway.

Date Posted: 8/7/2016 7:39 PM ET
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My RC includes the following statement:

"All books sent to me must include a $10 bill for use as a bookmark."

So far, I've had to RWAP 1,274 books.  smiley

Date Posted: 8/8/2016 7:22 AM ET
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That is one RC that I'd decline Thomas.

Date Posted: 8/9/2016 2:07 AM ET
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ROFL Thomas, I'd decline that RC also.

I have a short attention span, so it's a toss up whether or not I would have read that entire RC before my bored fingers inched towards the mouse.

The part about PM'ing could have been the deal breaker tho.  If the requestor wants contacted before I accept the request she can post her contact information.  It's rude to ask the sender to accept, then loose their spot if they have to decline later based on her conditions and inefficiency.

Date Posted: 8/9/2016 12:11 PM ET
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I view the RC as a contract of sorts. Dpeneding on the wording, it can put me at a disadvantage. While I will accept most well crafted RCs, some RCs are so favorable to the receiver that I just don't want to risk an RWAP. So my itchy hair-trigger "DECLINE" finger is ever present when I see an RC longer than a sentence.

Date Posted: 8/9/2016 4:13 PM ET
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A person with a RC does not have "more" power in a RWAP transaction, than someone without a RC. In both cases, the book receiver petitions the book sender for heir credit back, and PBS will not get involved*, regardless. So, there is no "judge" to decide who is right or wrong.

So, ultimately, it doesn't matter how well or not well an RC is written, or how favorable or unfavorable it might be to the book requestor.

The sender's ONLY standard in both cases is making their best judgement call as to whether or not their book meets regular PBS posting guidelines, or the RC posting guidelines.

And the sender always 100% decides whether or not to refund the credit for a RWAP transaction. It's your own conscience that tells you to refund a credit or not.

 

(*The only cases where PBS might get involved is in a case where the sender admits in a PM that the book mailed breaks the RCs but still refuses to refund a credit. But that is not going to be someone who reads the RC and makes their best judgement call in good faith. PBS doesn't get involved in that (s)he-said/(s)he-said back and forth.)

Date Posted: 8/9/2016 8:29 PM ET
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I wouldn't have a problem sending a book if it met the conditions. I have no problem determining "good condition" or "relatively good shape" as I tend to err on the side of caution with those and wouldn't have a problem arguing with a requester if it became an issue (never had an issue though).

There may be an issue with the account appearing to be possibly completely non-personal use from the RC. I sometimes get books for a library, but that RC looks like it is an account used only for obtaining books for a library and I wonder if that violates the TofU.

Date Posted: 8/9/2016 9:10 PM ET
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this seems to be my week/month for rc's that rival the great american novel in length. lol either that or all the really long rc's are all at the beginning of the fifo lines for books. i got an order for a children's book that is what i consider to be good/excellent shape. except for the folded front cover corner. i think i will be declining this rc for that reason. i think some of these members are a little picky about used books or maybe their rc's just make other members nervous. that may be why i have been getting so many in a row. lol here was today's. that and i don't have cardboard lying around my house to use on a book order. the wording of this rc just makes it sound like trouble. that could just be my interpretation. others might see it differently.

 

 

 

Dear Book Swapper,

Thanks for putting your book up for trade.

I am not willing to receive books that have been water damaged in any way.  Nor do I want books with rolled, cracked, or cocked spines.  If a book is thin, please add a piece of card board to help protect the spine of the book.  Books that arrive with damaged spines ... and no obvious effort to protect them will be considered unacceptable if they arrive damaged.  Adding a piece of card board is often enough to prevent this kind of damage.  When sending thin paperbacks (less than 1/3 of an inch)... please put a piece of cardboard behind it so that the spine does not get damaged in the mail.  Neglect of this may result in requesting points to be returned if the book is damaged in the mail.

Also... according to PBS policy books must actually be the edition that they are posted under.  ISBN #'s and Publisher, Date, etc. should match.  No ARC's or Uncorrected Proofs -- .

Thanks,

 

See: http://www.bookologist.com/cab/abu/y203/m07/bk0008/s04  and see: http://www.mywingsbooks.com/coll-terms/spn_.shtml

Also, please follow the guidelines of paperbackswap.com.  Editions should be what they are reported to be... No ARC's please...

Thank you for your attention to these details.



Last Edited on: 8/9/16 11:27 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/9/2016 10:35 PM ET
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I'd decline that latest RC on principle. Don't lecture me, and don't ask me to add materials that may add enough weight to the shipment to change the cost of postage. Four sentences about cardboard and 2 sentences that directly or indirectly threaten a RWAP...no thank you. I couldn't click decline fast enough. 

ETA: I'm also not taking the time to click the links for further "guidance" from third party sites. Seriously. 



Last Edited on: 8/9/16 10:37 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/10/2016 7:32 AM ET
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Although most RC's don't bother me much at all, this latest one mention by Molly would be the one that would.  Most bothersome to me are these 2 lines:  "Books that arrive with damaged spines ... and no obvious effort to protect them will be considered unacceptable if they arrive damaged." "... Neglect of this may result in requesting points to be returned if the book is damaged in the mail."  This next thing would also give me pause as it's a bit too subjective even for me, but especially if combined with the other conditions: " Nor do I want books with rolled, cracked, or cocked spines."

Although I can be a great packer for shipping things if I want to be, things have a way of happening beyond our control when it comes to being handled by USPS and other shippers.  I'd have no trouble with a simple request for cardboard (which isn't a simple request in that RC). However, one piece of cardboard probably isn't enough to make me comfortable, nor would 2 pieces, that the book would arrive undamaged by the handling of various p.o. workers.

I'd be likely to decline unless I had a like new thick paperback. Even then, I might still decline.



Last Edited on: 8/10/16 7:34 AM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 8/10/2016 8:36 AM ET
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Couldn't decline this RC fast enough...this RC is rife with implied threats, no thank you!

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