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Subject: Lending not enabled & Loan this title on same ebook. Why?
Date Posted: 3/22/2013 3:58 PM ET
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The ebook is Raid by Kristen Ashley. On the product details page it's listed as lending not enabled, but on my Manage your Kindle page it says I can loan it. Will I really be able to loan it?  Is this a common practice to have an ebook be sold with lending enabled for only a short time?

Date Posted: 3/22/2013 5:22 PM ET
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Is this a common practice to have an ebook be sold with lending enabled for only a short time?

It can be. I've seen some that still have the loan available after a couple of years, and some that only seemed to last a week. Just like some freebies may be only free for a few hours. It can happen pretty quickly.

I -think- the author/publisher at any time can pull the loan feature. Which is why sometimes you offer or ask for a book from a loan site and the loans can't go through. They're no longer loanable. One author pulled all her loan privilages at once, on several books, then some of them came back. I don't know if that was a mistake they corrected or not.

I'd go by the products page, and keep an eye on it. It may be that one list hasn't caught up yet, and no telling which one will change to match.

 

ED -- I checked your book, and it says "Lending Enabled" on the main product page. Sure you might want to check yours again.



Last Edited on: 3/22/13 5:24 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/22/2013 7:37 PM ET
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Thanks Cindy. I see now it says lending enabled. I was positive it didn't before, but am questioning myself now.

Date Posted: 3/23/2013 2:24 PM ET
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Thanks Cindy. I see now it says lending enabled. I was positive it didn't before, but am questioning myself now.

i swear for the ebook vb i've looked at a book and it didn't say lending enabled when i was expecting it to be lendable (because the rest of the series was), but looking again an hour later it did say lending enabled.  so i think on top of changing permissions at times, the displaying bit is just a litle glitchy.

Date Posted: 3/24/2013 3:12 PM ET
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They do change.  I've noticed if the book is on sale or free for that day, they seem to remove the lending, then when the book is at normal price they turn it back on.

Date Posted: 3/26/2013 11:40 PM ET
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Also Sometimes they just make up new I think ASIN's when they want to offer a book for free.  At Amazon I'm not sure how they do it but I've purchased a couple better know christian fiction/para romance books when they were free.  For the time it was free if I go to that page it will say I own the book.  However now that I've gone back on to find out if I owned them because I thought I owned them It doesn't say I purchased this book at the top of the page.  If I then go to my manage kindle find the book there and click on the link it will say the page is no longer available or not have the product infor page link. The few that were lendable in my managed kindle page would not let me lend them I would get an error page.  So if you have one that won't let you lend click on the link to find out if its even still a book on kindle or if its been changed to a new listing.  I know I ordered Pack Challenge for free and for a time it had that it was lendable in my manage kindle and had the product page link.  Now a couple years later it doesn't say lendable and it doesn't have the product page.  I can still download and read the book.  However on the product page it doesn't say I own the book.  This was one I tried to lend and wasn't able to about a year ago.  I've got tons more exactly like this and they are all well known authors.  I'm assuming they have a Different ASIN for a short period of time while they go on for free than they pull that ASIN and put the original back at the regular price.  Now this hasn't happened on all my books I've gotten for free that are lendable but a majority of the ones that I got that lend have done this.  I guess they do it so that people who purchased it when it was free can't lend it to another.  It makes sense to me. 

     

Date Posted: 3/27/2013 7:59 AM ET
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However now that I've gone back on to find out if I owned them because I thought I owned them It doesn't say I purchased this book at the top of the page.

So far, I've never had that happen, and I've got a ton of freebies and loans listed at Lendle. Even when they're not lendable anymore, they're still listed on my library. If you borrow a book, then yes, it'll disapear at the end of the loan period. But you should always show books that you've bought before.

I don't think they'd change the ASIN numbers, as they'd just flip a program switch to turn the lendable feature off. They wouldn't want to waste a number and confuse their system by assigning new numbers to a book every time an author changed their sale status.

Although authors and publishers can pull books from sale. I've seen that a few times. And I'm not sure if Amazon actually holds a copy of each book in your Library, or just keeps links to the publishers for redownloading. When Fictionwise hit the Agency War, books some Agency books I'd purchased at Fictionwise had a link in my library, but you couldn't download them again. The publishers pulled their whole catalog from the store and would not let Fictionwise customers re-download the book. Fictionwise never actually stored the books, just the links to the original. Some later came back and I could re-download them but they were no longer for sale to other people. That took several months.

If publishers publish through Amazon, those books may actually be stored there since Amazon is the Publisher. But if another publisher went down, and took their catalog with them, I don't know if Amazon would actually have a copy of those to keep in your library. I'm sure it all depends on how the contracts read, and other legal stuff, and how much they actually store and how much they only link to.

IIRC, the way Pottermore.com is set up (The Harry Potter Books) you buy them on Pottermore and can keep them in your Amazon library. But Amazon never actually has them, they always come from the Pottermore site when re-downloaded.

You just have to plan on stuff not being there forever when it comes to on-line purchases.